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Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by knightofmars on Friday May 14, 2021 @09:51AM (#27154296)
The phrase "Russian collusion" has become a catch-all for anything involving Russian influence, it's ridiculous and it over simplifies reality.

The basis for the (actual) Russian collusion investigation had a reasonable starting point. Joseph Mifsud[0], the guy that nobody can find right now. It was absolutely worth investigating and it's disappointing that it became the dog-and-pony show it did.

And Russia interfering with foreign elections is real[1]. There are plenty of other sources as well that cover the ongoing efforts by GRU and other Russian groups to influence the election process in many countries.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Mifsud [1]https://www.blackhat.com/us-20/briefings/schedule/index.html...

Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by pjc50 on Friday May 14, 2021 @11:11AM (#27155103)
Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by temp8964 on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:01AM (#27154404)
There is nothing new about Russia interfering with foreign elections. What is new is that a presidential candidate can be accused of colluding with Russia. You can't just go back to say "Russian collusion" means something else, when in fact the mainstream media and the Democrat Party members at the time was claiming Trump colluded with Putin.
Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by teclordphrack2 on Friday May 14, 2021 @11:45AM (#27155471)
There was collusion. Manafort gave polling data to the russians.
Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by _-david-_ on Friday May 14, 2021 @06:12PM (#27160241)
So did the media. Are wr going to arrest any news commentator who was viewed by a Russian?
Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by teclordphrack2 on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @11:25PM (#27285895)
Yeah, those are not the same thing. You are not open to an honest debate.
Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by chaosharmonic on Friday May 14, 2021 @02:27PM (#27157915)
It's also new for a presidential candidate to literally ask for their assistance on live TV.
Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by the_optimist on Friday May 14, 2021 @03:13PM (#27158505)
The deep-state circus that followed was clearly rooted in this. Don’t make them mad.
Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by spankyspangler on Saturday May 15, 2021 @10:07PM (#27170621)
This?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kxG8uJUsWU

Clearly a joke at the expense of the ineptitude of his opponent's campaign. The fact people point to this as their "evidence" is pretty clearly desperation and self-delusion.

There was no evidence. You were lied to.

Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by chaosharmonic on Thursday May 20, 2021 @08:57PM (#27229345)
Right, because it's not like he's lied about this specific event in campaign speeches[0], or specifically asked a foreign power to assist in digging up dirt on an opponent on live TV more than once[1] or anything...

[0] https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1310009283401187330

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1Q67tAUiMg

Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by wavefunction on Friday May 14, 2021 @11:29AM (#27155303)
Throwaway account because you're not proud to take credit for what you're claiming? Don't worry, I didn't downvote you, other than with this post.
Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by temp8964 on Friday May 14, 2021 @11:41AM (#27155432)
Thanks. I feel I said lots of stupid things in the past, so I created a long-term throwaway account.
Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by spankyspangler on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:04AM (#27154443)
No I don't think it did have a reasonable starting point at all. Extra-ordinary claims require extra ordinary evidence, and as it turned out (as explained in Mueller's report), there never was any evidence for it. I'm not talking about vague suggestions of Russian interference, I'm talking about the conspiracy theory that Trump or his campaign colluded with Putin to hack (or otherwise subvert) the election.

It never should have got past a few low level intelligence lackeys. The fact you had the chairman of the house intelligence committee as well as countless other powerful politicians, "trusted" journalists, ex-intelligence agency heads, etc. all insisting for years that there was "ample evidence" for it, is just utterly insane in my view. It was obviously just pure lies and dishonesty for political advantage.

Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by gebruikersnaam on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:38AM (#27154789)
> there was "ample evidence" for it

Funny you don't mention the Senate committee (led by Republicans) which found the same evidence.

Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by spankyspangler on Saturday May 15, 2021 @09:34PM (#27170472)
What same evidence?
Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by tylerhou on Friday May 14, 2021 @01:13PM (#27156784)
> as it turned out (as explained in Mueller's report), there never was any evidence for it.

Can you actually quote the report to support your claims? The report actually says that there was evidence to support communication/collusion between the Trump campaign & Russian officials, but not enough evidence [that we know of] to support criminal charges.

This is for two reasons: 1) The "dirt" given at the Trump tower meeting was not valuable enough to prosecute under campaign finance laws. 2) The individuals present at the meeting did not know that their conduct was illegal, so they could not be charged under the law.

So really, Mueller's report said that there was not enough evidence to meet a criminal prosecution, but there was evidence. That's a very different claim than "no evidence."

It's also not possible to prove a negative ("there was never evidence"), and given the numerous cases of obstruction, it is possible that the evidence needed to support criminal charges was covered up.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/01/26/us/politics/t...

Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by the_optimist on Friday May 14, 2021 @04:14PM (#27159197)
There was no evidence that would support a criminal prosecution. You say it yourself. What exactly are you trying to rebut here?
Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by tylerhou on Friday May 14, 2021 @05:21PM (#27159852)
The original poster said:

> in the end, The Mueller report admitted that no evidence was ever found to substantiate Trump or his associates or campaign ever working with Russians to interfere with the election?

and

> there never was any evidence for... the conspiracy theory that Trump or his campaign colluded with Putin to hack (or otherwise subvert) the election

These claims are strictly not true; Mueller found many instances where the Trump campaign directly worked with Russian officials in order to "get dirt on" Clinton or provided demographic information to Russian officials that helped those officials run (illegal) advertising/marketing campaigns for Trump. Just none of them were prosecutable based on the available evidence, according to Mueller.

Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by the_optimist on Friday May 14, 2021 @05:25PM (#27159871)
You're going to need to cite evidence. I read the Mueller report and found there no statements consistent with yours.

Edit: I see you edited to remove your strong claim and dilute it with an interpretation that you have provided, which is legally meaningless.

Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by tylerhou on Friday May 14, 2021 @05:35PM (#27159957)
My "stronger claim" is my original claim, just rephrased, so don't pretend that I have moved any goalposts. These statements are in the Mueller report, as you can see for yourself.

https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/download.

> The meeting was proposed to Donald Trump Jr. in an email from Robert Goldstone, at the request of his then-client Emin Agalarov, the son of Russian real-estate developer Aras Agalarov. Goldstone relayed to Trump Jr. that the “Crown prosecutor of Russia . . . offered to provide the Trump Campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia” as “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.” Trump Jr. immediately responded that “if it’s what you say I love it,” and arranged the meeting through a series of emails and telephone calls. (Page 110, under the heading "June 9, 2016 Meeting at Trump Tower.")

They are also not legally meaningless, and they aren't even my interpretation, which you would know if you had actually bothered to read the Mueller report or look up the relevant sections. Mueller himself said the reason why he did not prosecute is because (to him) it did not have sufficient evidence to prosecute. But just because the Justice Department wouldn't be able to convict doesn't mean that it is legal to accept information on a political opponent from an agent of a foreign government.

> On the facts here, the government would unlikely be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the June 9 meeting participants had general knowledge that their conduct was unlawful. The investigation has not developed evidence that the participants in the meeting were familiar with the foreign-contribution ban or the application of federal law to the relevant factual context. (Page 187 of the Mueller report.)

> The Office would also encounter difficulty proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the value of the promised documents and information exceeds the $2,000 threshold for a criminal violation, as well as the $25,000 threshold for felony punishment. (Page 188, ibid.)

Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by the_optimist on Friday May 14, 2021 @05:49PM (#27160077)
You have this inverted. The bar isn't that legal behavior must be circumscribed by law, it is that illegal behavior is specified by law. Actions which are not prosecutable under the law are very specifically what you say they are not: legally meaningless.

> "no evidence was ever found to substantiate Trump or his associates or campaign ever working with Russians to interfere with the election"

Parse this again and again. What does this mean? Who would be "interfering?" In what? Is there a legal obligation to conceal factual information? Is there a legal obligation not to seek it? It's telling that they tried to proxy a value under campaign FINANCE violations, so desperate were they to find a crime.

Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by tylerhou on Friday May 14, 2021 @06:03PM (#27160177)
> Actions which are not prosecutable under the law are very specifically what you say they are not: legally meaningless.

Are you really trying to suggest that actions done by an individual are illegal only if the government can successfully prosecute that individual for their action? Clearly the legality of an action and the ability to prosecute an action are separate concepts.

> It's telling that they tried to proxy a value under campaign FINANCE violations

This very obviously falls under campaign finance regulations. Federal regulations prohibit campaigns from accepting "things of value" from foreign nationals, and opposition research on a political opponent is also clearly a thing of value, seeing as campaigns hire people to perform opposition research all the time. Dirt on a political opponent also obviously falls under something that would be revealed by opposition research.

> Parse this again and again. What does this mean? Who would be "interfering?"

The Russians would be interfering in our elections through ads/marketing that support Trump, and providing things of value to the Trump campaign. If the Trump campaign helps the Russians accomplish those goals (through accepting information or giving the Russians demographic data) that would be illegal. It's really quite simple to understand.

Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by the_optimist on Friday May 14, 2021 @06:43PM (#27160449)
"Are you really trying to suggest..." No, I am directly stating this: Actions which are not illegal should not be prosecuted. This, and every other single aspect of Russia-mania were grotesque attempts to divine illegality. I know you'll disagree from your insistence, but we can agree to disagree.

I believe that asking questions or counterfactuals to your statements leads to merciless dead-ends, just like the Mueller report, and I challenge observers to ask those very questions.

In this very specific and unusual case, agents of the US government chose not to alert the campaign of suspected influence, but rather 'monitor' on the side and comb through their documentation for a crime, in full public political and media theatre.

Would that it happened to you, you might object.

Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by _-david-_ on Friday May 14, 2021 @06:14PM (#27160263)
> Mueller found many instances where the Trump campaign directly worked with Russian officials in order to "get dirt on" Clinton

So did Clinton. The Steele dossier had information from Russian officials and other Russians. Steele himself isn't an American either.

Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by temp8964 on Friday May 14, 2021 @09:18AM (#27153941)
But the Mueller team was good at covering their own ass.

At Least 27 Phones from Special Counsel’s Office Were Wiped before DOJ Inspector General Could Review Them https://news.yahoo.com/least-27-phones-special-counsel-21293...

Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by teclordphrack2 on Friday May 14, 2021 @11:58AM (#27155667)
And? Standard IT practice.
Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by gowld on Friday May 14, 2021 @12:05PM (#27155763)
No, it's not standard IT practice for dozens of people (>10% of the team?) to suddenly spam incorrect passwords into their phones at approximately the same time.
Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by runjake on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:10AM (#27154520)
The fact that multiple people very close to Trump (Manafort, Stone, Gates, Flynn), both personally and operational, met with Russian intelligence agents and assets helps the argument that the DOJ should be looking into Trump himself.
Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by mc32 on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:28AM (#27154695)
Hmm, should they likewise look into J Kerry meeting with foreign diplomats whilst not being in the then current administration too?
Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by gebruikersnaam on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:41AM (#27154818)
Only if he pretended to represent the US administration. Did he do that?

Otherwise it's just a private citizen meeting with foreign diplomats, which happens all the time and there's nothing nefarious about that.

Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by mc32 on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:48AM (#27154886)
Things like these: https://nypost.com/2021/04/26/iran-foreign-minister-says-joh...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-iran-pompeo/pompeo-sl...

Maybe it's all politicking, but then if it's good for the goose it's good for the gander.

Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by gebruikersnaam on Friday May 14, 2021 @11:15AM (#27155157)
The NY Post isn't a credible source, sorry.

If Pompeo had evidence of Kerry having illegal talks, he had the opportunity to provide this evidence to the FBI, seeing as he was part of the administration at the time. Instead he chose to 'slam' Kerry during a news conference.

But still no answer to the question if Kerry pretended to represent the US government, which would have been illegal.

Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by busymom0 on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:32PM (#27161776)
> The NY Post isn't a credible source, sorry.

That's the equivalent of an ad-hominen attack.

Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by runjake on Friday May 14, 2021 @01:04PM (#27156642)
Sure, if it is warranted. I am not partisan. I presume you do not mean while he was acting SecState.
Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by delecti on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:45AM (#27154855)
Knowing nothing about that situation except how you've just described it, of course.
Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by sthnblllII on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:23AM (#27154659)
>the DOJ should be looking into Trump himself.

Anyone still trying to stir up this nonsense partisan battle is just distracting from the recent major world events.

Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by sk1459 on Friday May 14, 2021 @11:48AM (#27155516)
Contextualizing events with the knowledge that the FBI has shown itself to be a modern NKVD and the “intelligentsia” in journalism are happy to be mouthpieces of the US oligarchy actually saves you a lot of confusion.

Being lost in the moment of a blizzard of “crises” that really aren’t is intellectually paralyzing. Probably intentionally so.

Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by twic on Friday May 14, 2021 @09:31AM (#27154085)
It's not just that - some people will still, today, insist that Trump was working with Russia. When you point out that investigations found nothing, they point to some random minor finding as if that vindicates them. It's genuinely concerning.
Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by penultimatename on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:00AM (#27154391)
I find it more odd that people hand-wave a political campaign meeting with a foreign government for political dirt on an opponent. That is truly genuinely concerning.
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Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by penultimatename on Friday May 14, 2021 @11:10AM (#27155095)
I think your failure to acknowledge the difference between a private company paid for services and a foreign government offering their services for free says who is the partisan one here.
Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by anoonmoose on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:09AM (#27154509)
I'm sorry but as far as I'm concerned "If it is what you say it is, I love it", which they admitted was a true thing written in email and meant what it obviously meant, completely justified the entire Mueller investigation.
Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by pessimizer on Friday May 14, 2021 @12:47PM (#27156403)
People will still insist that Saddam Hussain did 9/11.
Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by gebruikersnaam on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:27AM (#27154689)
The Mueller investigation didn't find hard proof that Trump et al. conspired with Russia because there was plenty of perjury and obstruction. When a investigation is limited by politics and vague policies, you can't blame the investigator. Mueller declared in his public hearing that he would have indicted Trump, if he wasn't president.

The fact that the Senate committee (led by the Republicans) also found plenty of connections between the Russia government and the Trump campaign says enough.

Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by sthnblllII on Friday May 14, 2021 @05:01PM (#27159643)
>Mueller declared in his public hearing that he would have indicted Trump, if he wasn't president.

Is that true though? He didn't present any evidence of a crime. Congress could have impeached Trump successfully with some hard evidence, so was Muller protecting Trump by only insinuating there was evidence but not presenting any? I don't think vague connections "says enough". If the president really was conspiring with Russia I would want the FBI to present its findings instead of giving more vague insinuation.

Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by gebruikersnaam on Friday May 14, 2021 @05:19PM (#27159829)
"Mueller: A president can be charged with obstruction of justice after leaving office" [1]

Statements that Congress could have impeached Trump can only be viewed as stated in bad faith. Congress did impeach Trump, but for political reasons the Senate refused to remove him.

[1] https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/07/24/rober...

Re:FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account,... by Paradigma11 on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:33AM (#27154754)
Trumps campaign manager Manafort worked for some shady ukrain/russian oligarchs. Trumps future NSA worked for the turks the whole campaign. Trumps son arranged a meeting between the campaign and representatives of the criminal russian influence campaign.

It really seems like they were not able to establish an effective cooperation but would you not want the FBI to investigate such cicumstances?