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Re:$365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops a... by api on Thursday May 13, 2021 @07:05PM (#27148603)
While I really dislike some of his behavior, this goal post moving to try to deny Musk credit for what he's accomplished annoys me.

Before Musk we had no economical reusable launch systems, economical space flight was sci-fi, and in the 2000s there were many people who thought modern civilization must inevitably grind to a halt as we deplete oil because oil is absolutely irreplaceable for modern transport.

SpaceX built the first economical to operate reusable space hardware at any scale, and Tesla validated the market for EVs. Even if Tesla fails, without them I highly doubt the EV revolution would be happening. Traditional car companies would never have cannibalized their ICE sales with EVs without a hard kick in the ass to do so.

Re:$365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops a... by andrepd on Thursday May 13, 2021 @10:12PM (#27149885)
> and in the 2000s there were many people who thought modern civilization must inevitably grind to a halt as we deplete oil because oil is absolutely irreplaceable for modern transport

Lol, what an exaggeration. I don't think anyone argued seriously that we would have to stop using cars at all. The conversation was always about renewable energy.

Re:$365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops a... by jacquesm on Thursday May 13, 2021 @08:53PM (#27149374)
Yes, those comments are right up there with the 'what have the Romans done for us' list.

Like him or hate him, no point denying Musk his achievements, which are more than many of us here will manage in our lifetimes and Musk appears to be far from finished. His biggest enemy at this point is himself, that unstable streak is a real worry. But here's to hoping that he will notch up a longer list of achievements.

Re:$365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops a... by DonHopkins on Friday May 14, 2021 @09:20AM (#27153975)
As long as you're quoting Life of Brian:

"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"

Re:$365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops a... by jacquesm on Friday May 14, 2021 @09:26AM (#27154038)
Hehe, he definitely is not the Messiah, and it is very well possible that he indeed is a very naughty boy.

For Musk being grounded will have a completely different meaning though :)

Re:$365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops a... by roca on Thursday May 13, 2021 @09:32PM (#27149630)
SpaceX is excellent.

EVs would have happened without Tesla. The "kick in the ass" is the same thing that has driven all other emissions improvements: government regulation.

Re:$365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops a... by api on Friday May 14, 2021 @05:38PM (#27159987)
Without Tesla those government mandates would have led to undesirable “compliance cars.” Tesla made EVs sexy and is why we now have an E-Mustang.
Re:$365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops a... by roca on Friday May 14, 2021 @07:20PM (#27160692)
There is no reason to believe the former. Car companies have to comply while also selling cars.
Re:$365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops a... by api on Friday May 14, 2021 @09:10PM (#27161338)
They would have dragged their feet as much as possible to keep ICE alive. Too much car culture inertia and sunk cost. Being shown up is more powerful and motivating than regulations.
Re:$365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops a... by stjohnswarts on Friday May 14, 2021 @02:09PM (#27157662)
Yeah he has definitely helped push (and unwilling and petrol addicted) civilization a lot more towards EVs despite what the denialists want to have us think. However he's neither a messiah like the Muskavites would have us believe nor is he an evil mustache twiddling villain like the other side would have you believe.