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Re:Getting High-Speed Rail Wrong by zdragnar on Thursday May 13, 2021 @01:37PM (#27144900)
We have plenty of proof to the opposite near where I live. Passenger rail was installed in several locations with the promise of growth that never materialized. One of the lines is from downtown to an airport, through a few miles of neglected neighborhoods that never got the rush of development and gentrification rail was supposed to bring. Another goes from the city through several suburbs and has had negligible impact because ridership is so low.

People prefer not being constrained to the train tracks if they can drive, they prefer to not live near the constant blaring of horns and squealing of wheels on the tracks, and in these days prefer not to be stuck in a cabin full of potentially sick strangers for 2-3 hours a day round trip.

Re:Getting High-Speed Rail Wrong by pchristensen on Thursday May 13, 2021 @01:45PM (#27144989)
"the promise of growth that never materialized."

Was it legal and politically palatable to build there, or in the neglected neighborhoods around it? In the USA, unless you're talking about actual greenfield land, rail-supporting development is usually illegal to build.

Re:Getting High-Speed Rail Wrong by zdragnar on Thursday May 13, 2021 @07:39PM (#27148885)
Rail was sold by the city as a way to promote growth there- aside from hooking up the airport, it was the only reason to run rail at all.
Re:Getting High-Speed Rail Wrong by jschwartzi on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @07:26PM (#27202635)
The central question is how was the land abutting each station zoned? Did they change the zoning to allow for more development? Or did it remain mostly residential-zoned and just change from single-family to multi-family?

The reason rail works beautifully in other countries is that you can get off the train and walk to useful destinations, even if where you disembarked isn't where you live. Shinkansen in Japan have tons of shopping, nice restaurants, and hotels all within a block or two of the station. So there's a reason for non-residents to stop as well as residents. And because everything surrounds the station there's no point for residents to go anywhere else.

Re:Getting High-Speed Rail Wrong by sjsamson on Thursday May 13, 2021 @04:17PM (#27146846)
>One of the lines is from downtown to an airport

You don’t provide enough specifics about your local situation, but it’s been long noted that airport rail lines underperform. The author Alon Levy’s blog and others in the transit space have covered this. TLDR: They fail serve the local riders well, in an attempt to serve less frequent airport riders who are more likely to pay for a taxi/rideshare, rent a car, get picked up/dropped off, etc. There are often poor airport connections, like people movers or airport connectors, getting to the right terminals, etc which creates more friction and confusion.

>neglected neighborhoods that never got the rush of development and gentrification rail was supposed to bring

Rail and transportation infrastructure generally is an enabler for re/development and land use, but not a guarantee of it. Necessary but not sufficient by itself.

Re:Getting High-Speed Rail Wrong by matkoniecz on Thursday May 13, 2021 @05:11PM (#27147526)
> 2-3 hours a day round trip

That would be ridiculous, if it would up to 1 hour round trip it maybe would be more effective.

Re:Getting High-Speed Rail Wrong by zdragnar on Thursday May 13, 2021 @07:48PM (#27148941)
It is a 40 mile total run, making a number of stops along the way. The more people it has to serve, the less convenient it becomes.

The other line (running from downtown to the airport) was also a total of 1 hour 30ish minutes including bus from my house to the terminal, then rail down to the airport. It otherwise was a 30ish minute drive, tops, and driving is what almost everyone chose to do if they had the car to do so.