Volvo and Daimler bet on hydrogen truck boom this decade

Re:Volvo and Daimler bet on hydrogen truck boom this decade by bluGill on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @01:39PM (#27133010)

Interesting, but I'm not convinced. There is a big different between Musk being overly optimistic, and the ideas themselves being unsound. Musk does have his share of unsound idea, but he also has many ideas that are probably good but ahead of their time. Attacking an ahead of their time idea as unsound is wrong analysis. (I happened to watch the one on hyperloop - which clearly is a lot of vaporware - but don't confuse that with being a bad idea. Also don't confuse it being a good idea with it being something that anyone working on now will make work)

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Re:Volvo and Daimler bet on hydrogen truck boom this decade by rriepe on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @01:52PM (#27133183)

Hyperloop is definitely lower-hanging fruit than Tesla. Of SpaceX, Hyperloop, Boring and Tesla, Tesla is easily the least scammy. But this particular energy density argument does come up pretty much any time he talks about Tesla.

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Re:Volvo and Daimler bet on hydrogen truck boom this decade by yakz on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @05:59PM (#27135662)

Why do you say that Tesla is less scammy than SpaceX?

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Re:Volvo and Daimler bet on hydrogen truck boom this decade by rriepe on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @07:54PM (#27136678)

Because of how scammy SpaceX is. Phil's points that we're just re-trodding the reusable vehicle idea from the Space Shuttle days, but somehow paying more for it, are pretty damning in my eyes [1]. It feels a lot like government-funded rocket shows.

I mean, space stuff happening is fun and I like it. But if it was cheaper to do it through NASA, on even the famously expensive Space Shuttle, what's the point of all of this?

Tesla's stuff is all minor in comparison.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TxkE_oYrjU

(Disclosure: I'm from Orlando and almost certainly somehow biased towards the shuttle program, not that I don't think it wasn't an inherently flawed idea. It was an awesome inherently flawed idea. So I actually do understand the fanboyism at play. I just liked NASA's "cool" better than Musk's "sexy." The stuff they've been pulling off remotely on other planets is more impressive than anything Musk is doing. I feel like we're picking corporate propaganda over American propaganda and I don't like it.)

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Re:Volvo and Daimler bet on hydrogen truck boom this decade by Misdicorl on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @11:26PM (#27138067)

Comparing a reusable launch vehicle (spacex falcon) with a reusable payload (the space shuttle) is absurd.

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Re:Volvo and Daimler bet on hydrogen truck boom this decade by rriepe on Thursday May 13, 2021 @05:09AM (#27140087)

It might be if the nature of the comparison weren't overwhelmingly favorable to SpaceX.

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