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Re:Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19 by ithkuil on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @02:32AM (#27127342)
> Yup, that’s the point.

I don't understand.

If we know that people who recovered from covid are effectively as if they were vaccinated, why do they have to wait until they have the privilege to be in the lucky age group to receive the vaccine before they can go visit a loved one they don't see for more than one year?

Are you assuming that everyone in the world is living in a privileged country where people as young as 30 can already access vaccines?

I read a lot from Americans complaining how bad their country was and all that, but hey, all my American coworkers got vaccinated and I can't visit my mom in Switzerland because she aged 68 just got her first shot yesterday. That's right, Switzerland not some third world country. Switzerland with all its pharma industry can't get the same vaccine production capacity and rollout throughput as your "utterly unorganized federal state that totally botched covid", as I often read Americans.

Re:Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19 by Closi on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @02:39AM (#27127386)
You don't actually have a birth-given right to enter all other countries - which might be a surprise to people with good passports that effectively used to let them travel anywhere (try entering the USA with a passport from Pakistan or Iraq and see how it compares with a Swiss passport!).

This is about what other countries want to restrict in terms of non-citizen's entering the country without isolation.

These are countries which have had a significant portion of their economy shut down for more than a year, so unsurprisingly they might want to ensure non-citizens who travel in have done something to limit the risk (even if that is isolating for 2 weeks).

Re:Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19 by ithkuil on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @03:43AM (#27127752)
Sure. But if the bar to entry is "scientifically proven immunity", then both natural immunity and the one induced by vaccinations are reasonable bars to entry.

You may say "ok, we don't have yet the beurocratic apparatus to accept natural immunity in our protocols and for the time being we're going to focus on vaccinated people, sorry".

You may not say "we want to force you to vaccinate, that's the whole point, duh"

That's a dangerous attitude. It feeds vaccine skeptics or denialists, who use this attitude as a proof that there is as much dogma in the "official scientific community" who are in big pharma's pockets. They are a bunch of nuts, but they are infecting otherwise reasonable people I know all around me.

Let's avoid setting up official policies and discourse tones which effective feed the trolls.

Re:Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19 by Closi on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @07:05AM (#27128893)
Why does this matter to Switzerland though?

They are only going to let people in they want, and they don't want people who could spread the virus, or bring it in.

Besides they are allowing people in with natural immunity too - as defined by a positive antibody test.

Re:Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19 by tomc1985 on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @02:43AM (#27127416)
Just want to interject that a lot of us Americans are pleasantly surprised with just how quickly and effectively the vaccine rollout has gone. It has been a real turnaround for those living in states whose government was able to pull it off.

(But it should be noted that many states are not doing as well)

Re:Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19 by sharken on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @02:52PM (#27133805)
Yes kudos to America for actually having an effective rollout, even with all the Trump drama.

There are also many diverse ways the individual states have handled restrictions, it will be interesting to see if some consensus will be reached regarding keeping restrictions or not.