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Re:I mailed an AirTag and tracked its progress by gruez on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @04:00PM (#27122782)
>Doesn't sound like a very good design.

because there has to be a trade-off between usability and privacy. Something following you for a few hours (max trip for airport to home) could be a stalker, or could just be an airtag on your uber driver. Excessive alerts is counterproductive because people eventually tune them out, which makes them useless.

>How about just showing you a single alert (or stationary info page you could check optionally) "Airtag that's not yours travels with you, still here"?

You'll get that every time you're on a subway/bus.

Re:I mailed an AirTag and tracked its progress by unethical_ban on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @08:07PM (#27125149)
Then don't create Airtags? Has anyone seen Jurassic Park? You were so busy thinking how you could, you didn't stop to ask if you should.
Re:I mailed an AirTag and tracked its progress by coldtea on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @05:40PM (#27123887)
>Excessive alerts is counterproductive because people eventually tune them out, which makes them useless.

You don't need excessive alerts, you just a place in the UI that the user can check and see if there's an alert or not. To make it even fancier, add a red dot to the "Find My" icon.

I don't understand why "excessive alerts" and the image of a constantly ringing iPhone is presented as the only possible way to notify the user...

>You'll get that every time you're on a subway/bus.

Yeah, so? As stated above, it could just be an entry "foreign airtag travelling with you" in some UI screen that you open and broswe -- tagged with the date and duration it happened. You can then blisfully ignore it (especially since it can also show "it's not here with you anymore" when you go to your destination).

Re:I mailed an AirTag and tracked its progress by gruez on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @07:29PM (#27124922)
>You don't need excessive alerts, you just a place in the UI that the user can check and see if there's an alert or not. To make it even fancier, add a red dot to the "Find My" icon.

Isn't this just spamming but slightly more discreet? If there's a red dot next to the "find my" icon every day you go home you're going to tune that out as well.

Re:I mailed an AirTag and tracked its progress by coldtea on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @09:45PM (#27125758)
>Isn't this just spamming but slightly more discreet?

The original concern was about "excessive alerts" annoying the user with new popups/sound etc. This is unobtrussive.

It's potentially useful information, that can just show the last 2-3 entries, and consumed at will. So not really like spam.

>If there's a red dot next to the "find my" icon every day you go home you're going to tune that out as well.

Most of the time, and it can auto-tone itself down, so it's only shown when you should actually pay attention.

I gave the example of when you're back home, and the same airtags that were potentially "following" you on the subway (e.g. some strangers' airtag) - no longer follow you, so it's ok for the red dot to go back to green.

But if a foreign airtag is close consistently (the same foreign one), it could show the red dot.

Re:I mailed an AirTag and tracked its progress by gruez on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @11:06PM (#27126150)
>The original concern was about "excessive alerts" annoying the user with new popups/sound etc. This is unobtrussive.

And in the next sentence I said the problem is that users eventually ignore them, not that they're annoyed by them (although annoyingness is also a problem).

>It's potentially useful information, that can just show the last 2-3 entries, and consumed at will. So not really like spam.

A red dot is distracting in and of itself. I myself went out of my way to hide app store notifications entirely because it had no way to hide update notifications.

>I gave the example of when you're back home, and the same airtags that were potentially "following" you on the subway (e.g. some strangers' airtag) - no longer follow you, so it's ok for the red dot to go back to green.

>But if a foreign airtag is close consistently (the same foreign one), it could show the red dot.

I feel like this is in the class of features that are theoretically useful, but nobody but the most paranoid actually use. You don't see google/android IMSI catcher or rogue hotspot detection for instance, even though it might theoretically be useful.