Agree, but also the issue with discussing UBI is a lack of data that is objectively applicable. Any study that tests UBI on a small scale is flawed from the get go, you can't have a placebo group, everyone knows they're in a study, and participation is voluntary.

So then the debate becomes impossible, because the pro UBI side can only talk in theory and hypotheticals, which is never going to swing anyone even slightly inclined to conservatism.