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Re:Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of m... by ianbutler on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @10:56AM (#27118820)
That's valid too, but and big but, I'd argue your engineers aren't being paid their value though and that's largely down to what I feel is Europe not valuing engineers relative to what they accomplish enough. Don't drive our wages down, drive yours up.

I'm consistently astounded that my friend who lives in France is only making what she makes given her level of schooling and skill.

That doesn't detract from your point though. Only the hassle of hiring outside of the US may be a blocker there as well.

Re:Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of m... by johannes1234321 on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @03:52PM (#27122685)
Comparing salaries isn't easy. Europeans get more vacation, more sick days, other (better?) Health care, retirement funds, unemployment insurance ... also they eventually pay less rent etc.

Compering this objectively ain't easy.

Re:Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of m... by tijl on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @02:08AM (#27127168)
What also doesn't help, is that, at least in my experience, Americans usually mention pre-tax wages, while Europeans usually talk about their wages after tax (not sure if that is the case here, since nobody in this thread mentions taxes). $11k is roughly €9k. With Belgian tax rates, you'll have about €4.4k left after tax. (Belgium is where I live, so those are the rates I know. In Easter Europe, tax rates are lower)
Re:Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of m... by CRConrad on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @11:48AM (#27131693)
> Americans usually mention pre-tax wages, while Europeans usually talk about their wages after tax

Some Europeans. AFAIK all the Nordic countries are similar in discussing salaries as pre-tax. Dunno for sure how it's done around the Mediterranean, but I wouldn't jump to the assumption that it's net-in-the-hand there either. Could well be that this "European norm" is just a German and perhaps French (and apparently Belgian?) thing.

Re:Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of m... by morelisp on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @12:07PM (#27131907)
Everyone I know in Berlin (including Germans, French, and Belgians) talks about pre-tax salary.
Re:Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of m... by shkkmo on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @02:50PM (#27121960)
An open source project funded by donations is not the vehicle to use to try to hike developer wages. Especially when that project is already underfunded.

The concerns about the project not making efficient use of the donations it recieves seem spot on.

Re:Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of m... by Grimm1 on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @03:11PM (#27122212)
I think you've misread this chain, the poster above me wasn't talking about OpenSource, just hiring in general, and my initial comment was saying 132k isn't going to get you very far.

I was responding to that poster's general comment about hiring quality engineers.