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Re:Experts suggest AXA’s plan to shun ransomware payouts wil... by nickpp on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @03:19AM (#27115209)
Sure, just like when you have 5 sick people, each needing a different organ to survive. We need the government to select a healthy person, take his organs and save the other 5. Sucks for that person in particular, but the public overall is better for it.
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Re:Experts suggest AXA’s plan to shun ransomware payouts wil... by fauigerzigerk on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @04:42AM (#27115728)
It's more like banning the purchase of organs on the black market if you suffer organ failure.
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Re:Experts suggest AXA’s plan to shun ransomware payouts wil... by m3at on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @03:41AM (#27115341)
Interesting argument, though forcefully selecting a donnor does not increase organ failure rates for others, whereas paying ransom does increase risks of future attacks.
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Re:Experts suggest AXA’s plan to shun ransomware payouts wil... by nickpp on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @04:04AM (#27115457)
It does modify behavior though: I am more likely to engage in risky activities like heavy drinking and overeating if I know a replacement organ (like a liver) is readily available thanks to the wisdom of the government.
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Re:Experts suggest AXA’s plan to shun ransomware payouts wil... by nefitty on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @01:40PM (#27121034)
On its face, this sounds like an extreme behavioral reaction to having “replacement organs” available, but it actually tracks with my own anecdotal experience.

I was not comfortable skateboarding again until I had good insurance as I do now. I don’t go crazy, but it is definitely a weight off my shoulders knowing that if I break a bone I’ll be able to get help without wrecking my finances. On the other hand, my brother doesn’t currently have insurance, and in the past he was super advanced at skateboarding. He is very hesitant to skate with me because of his fear of getting hurt. It’s pretty wild to see that play out in my own life, and it has made even more empathetic to the decisions other people make and the sorts of high-level factors that come into play there.

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Re:Experts suggest AXA’s plan to shun ransomware payouts wil... by catbuttes on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @08:04AM (#27117049)
Now swing it the other way. Only harvest organs from those guilty of crimes. Would that make you less likely to commit crimes, knowing that your organs will be harvested?
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Re:Experts suggest AXA’s plan to shun ransomware payouts wil... by contravariant on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @03:30AM (#27115276)
Somewhat interesting that you use an argument against utilitarianism to argue against deontological ethics.
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Re:Experts suggest AXA’s plan to shun ransomware payouts wil... by nickpp on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @04:10AM (#27115495)
Government intervention is government intervention no matter the context: it seems a good idea at first but it always backfires.
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Re:Experts suggest AXA’s plan to shun ransomware payouts wil... by contravariant on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @05:55AM (#27116164)
To govern is to intervene, if a government doesn't intervene then what purpose does it have?
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Re:Experts suggest AXA’s plan to shun ransomware payouts wil... by arrosenberg on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @12:27PM (#27120098)
Except in this analogy we don't have a healthy person, but one that already was in a motorcycle accident.
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