US passes emergency waiver over fuel pipeline cyber-attack

Re:US passes emergency waiver over fuel pipeline cyber-attack by boringg on Sunday May 09, 2021 @09:16PM (#27101622)

Pretty sure china doesn't have the oceans - might want to check up on your stats.

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Re:US passes emergency waiver over fuel pipeline cyber-attack by bob_theslob646 on Sunday May 09, 2021 @09:33PM (#27101741)

Not to be rude but I'm pretty sure you need to check up on your stats. The Chinese do have the oceans.

>Citing the Office of Naval Intelligence, a Congressional Research Service report from March notes that the People’s Liberation Army Navy, or PLAN, was slated to have 360 battle force ships by the end of 2020, dwarfing the U.S. fleet of 297 ships.

[1](https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2021/04/12/chinas-n...)

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Re:US passes emergency waiver over fuel pipeline cyber-attack by RhodoGSA on Sunday May 09, 2021 @10:51PM (#27102202)

Air Craft carriers and jets were proven in WW2 to be the big differentiator. US took note and has more than the entire world combined. 'Battle force ships' is a very loose term and your source only includes navy resources. You forget we have Army, Air force, Marines and not to forget coast guard that all have their own watercraft. Also, don't know if you've been seeing some of the new SWISS ships the US have been developing. Very small, hyper fast ships with a crew of 6 or less with a crazy amount of firepower in terms of AA, 50 cal, even torpedos. Those aren't categorized as 'Battle Force Ships'.

Also, despite the huge waste that is inherent in it - no one has bases like the US does. We have forward operating bases all over the middle east, geographically separated units all over east europe, africa, asian pacific, and military bases all over europe and every key point of the united states. Nasa never quite got launches down but we do have some of the most advanced satellite, imagery and other military instruments. look up number of military spacecraft by country.

Whether it's moral or not is an entirely different question, but there is a reason the international monetary fund has a weight 44% USD; It's not because all the other countries like us that's for sure.

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Re:US passes emergency waiver over fuel pipeline cyber-attack by totoglazer on Sunday May 09, 2021 @11:59PM (#27102545)

Can’t find anything about the SWISS ships but curious to learn more, if you could provide a link.

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Re:US passes emergency waiver over fuel pipeline cyber-attack by RhodoGSA on Monday May 10, 2021 @01:33AM (#27103042)

opps - it's SWCC*. Can't seem to find the heavier version, but it was based on the SOC-R.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Operations_Craft_%E2%8...

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Re:US passes emergency waiver over fuel pipeline cyber-attack by edholland on Sunday May 09, 2021 @09:52PM (#27101858)

without significant aircraft carrier fleet i'm not sure china has dominant control of any seas, despite best efforts in south china seas

[1](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_aircraft_carrier_progr...)

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Re:US passes emergency waiver over fuel pipeline cyber-attack by bob_theslob646 on Sunday May 09, 2021 @10:26PM (#27102070)

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/05/china/china-world-biggest-nav...

I am not sure what your point is. By number of ships, they are the biggest. I have no idea how important aircraft carrier fleet is.

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Re:US passes emergency waiver over fuel pipeline cyber-attack by boringg on Monday May 10, 2021 @09:47AM (#27105927)

Biggest by number, not by capability or weight. There are significant differences as a result.

I.e. who cares if you have the most swordsmen on the planet, if you in a gunfight.

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Re:US passes emergency waiver over fuel pipeline cyber-attack by pbourke on Sunday May 09, 2021 @11:09PM (#27102300)

> I have no idea how important aircraft carrier fleet is.

It’s the most important part of a modern blue water navy and has been since WW2. The US also has a world-dominating submarine fleet.

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Re:US passes emergency waiver over fuel pipeline cyber-attack by throwaway20148 on Sunday May 09, 2021 @10:28PM (#27102079)

Bath Iron Works is hiring people on the spot right now. They are probably going to hire 3k people in the next year. I imagine this is happening at other shipyards around the country. Expect those ship numbers to be revised upwards.

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Re:US passes emergency waiver over fuel pipeline cyber-attack by boringg on Monday May 10, 2021 @09:45AM (#27105908)

I don't dispute the ability for China to produce more ships than the US or have more ships. By tonnage they are still less than half the size of the the US fleet and they aren't in control of the oceans. I'm not saying that won't change I am merely flagging OP statements as inaccurate.

Don't worry I don't take your comments as rude.

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