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Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by bluGill on Sunday May 09, 2021 @01:29PM (#27097831)
Chips shouldn't go obsolete so fast. Your local auto parts store has in stock parts for cars made 50 years ago. That include aftermarket parts made in the past few years.

You cannot support right to repair if you support the idea that chips go obsolete.

Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by jlawer on Sunday May 09, 2021 @09:27PM (#27101693)
A few things help the auto part example over consumer electronics

* the model was setup while the auto makers were substantially smaller. GM / Ford couldn't hope to control the entire supply chain in the 1930s like they can now. These pre-existing businesses are able to protect their interests.

* Early cars had massive defect rates compared to modern consumer electronics. You HAD to be able to have a large number of people able to repair and maintain cars.

* Due to the value of cars, a higher proportion of damage is likely to be considered repairable over a CE device.

* Many auto parts were simpler when the model setup. Many parts did not have extensive IP protections, and were relatively easily clone-able. (i.e. you can make a mould of a part and cast other copies). Not to mention, outside a few halo proprietary technologies, companies were less litigious and protective of IP.

* Commercial operators such as Taxi and corporate fleets mean that there was a market for these 3rd party products, enough to cover R&D costs of cloning an existing part.

I think we need to enforce a compulsory licensing of IP for all parts, chips, etc after a period of non-availability or obsolescence. Price should be set at a point where 3rd party companies come in and produce generic versions, paying royalties to the owner. Allow these 3rd parties to reverse engineer the products and sell their clones if there is truly a market need.

What will likely happen is that the companies would rather license their designs to a chosen partner, in the hope of having more control over it

Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by baybal2 on Sunday May 09, 2021 @02:07PM (#27098185)
It's actually a "feature." Automakers like to have easily sun-settable, hard to replace parts to quickly remove old cars off the market.

Now, they want to do it even quicker.

DRMed autoparts are a new craze. A tsunami of them is coming in 2021+ cars.

They all now want to do the the John Deere trick. They gave the industry a very bad example to follow.

Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by bluGill on Sunday May 09, 2021 @06:38PM (#27100484)
As an employee of John Deere I can assure you that is false. We are proud that machines made in the 1950s are still in regular use, and we make a ton of money providing replacement parts for machines that old. We have also spent large amount of dollars over the last decade replacing electronics that have gone obsolete, not to mention buying and storing spare parts so we can continue to replace those old electronics for customers. Our bottom line would look a lot better if we didn't have to redesign perfectly good electronics all the time.

I can't go into more detail than that.

Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by CamperBob2 on Sunday May 09, 2021 @11:14PM (#27102333)
Our bottom line would look a lot better if we didn't have to redesign perfectly good electronics all the time.

Well, I can think of at least one easy way to avoid that problem. If you document your hardware and put a leash on your lawyers, you'll find that your customers and their independent service organizations will be glad to take on this responsibility for you.

Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by emiliobumachar on Monday May 10, 2021 @12:58PM (#27108143)
How much more would you be willing to pay for the same car if all chips in it were guaranteed to be available 50 years from now, at today's price plus inflation?
Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by bluGill on Monday May 10, 2021 @02:28PM (#27109220)
Me nothing. I drive my cars until they are 12 feet under and junk them. I'm sure the collectors of future will have a different opinion, but they won't get my cars, (see above) and I have no idea what cars (if any) future generations will collect.