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Re:Tesla Autopilot director contradicts Musk’s self-driving ... by blueblisters on Sunday May 09, 2021 @07:51AM (#27095235)
Or I could have used better sensors on my car but that doesn't sound as controversial as "anyone using LIDAR is doomed" so I fooled my customers and let my competitors get ahead.
Re:Tesla Autopilot director contradicts Musk’s self-driving ... by tr1ll10nb1ll on Sunday May 09, 2021 @10:46AM (#27096313)
Saying "anyone using LiDAR is doomed" is a controversial statement sure but the self-driving problem is indeed a computer vision problem.

George Hotz puts it quite neatly, companies like Waymo have spent millions so far and someone sitting at home could not use their product highlighting their inefficiency. He further states to think about how a human would drive a car, does a human need LiDAR to drive a car? No, not really. The legitimacy in his statements come from the fact ( imo ) that comma.ai ( his self-driving startup ) outperforms with less funding than one could imagine by solving the problem absolutely as a Computer Vision problem. They treat it slightly different than Tesla but in all, it goes on to show that you don't really need to use LiDAR to solve the problem, it can potentially solve the problem, but it's an inefficient way to do it.

Re:Tesla Autopilot director contradicts Musk’s self-driving ... by blueblisters on Sunday May 09, 2021 @12:34PM (#27097327)
> He further states to think about how a human would drive a car, does a human need LiDAR to drive a car?

I hate this argument. It doesn't hold for several reasons:

- A human driver has blind spots (which btw Tesla avoids by having cameras surrounding the car)

- Human reactions times are very poor at even moderate speeds

- Human vision is affected by glare

- Humans are terrible at driving in low light conditions

- Humans are terrible at driving in inclement weather - snow storms or heavy rainfall

LIDAR doesn't solve many of these problems but to claim that self driving is solvable by vision alone is a bad take. Multiple sensors add redundancies and reduce errors. Teslas are already equipped with ultrasound sensors and radar so it's not technically solving a Computer Vision only problem.

Re:Tesla Autopilot director contradicts Musk’s self-driving ... by atatatat on Sunday May 09, 2021 @08:24PM (#27101249)
> LIDAR doesn't solve many of these problems

Radar+sonar do.

Re:Tesla Autopilot director contradicts Musk’s self-driving ... by tr1ll10nb1ll on Monday May 10, 2021 @12:13AM (#27102615)
It's never about being just able to solve the problems, it's more about solving the problem without spending millions and millions of dollars and still not having a product everyone can use after years.
Re:Tesla Autopilot director contradicts Musk’s self-driving ... by tucosan on Sunday May 09, 2021 @07:58AM (#27095270)
Can you give an example of competitors that use Lidar and are further ahead than Tesla?
Re:Tesla Autopilot director contradicts Musk’s self-driving ... by colejohnson66 on Sunday May 09, 2021 @08:51AM (#27095549)
Doesn’t Waymo use LIDAR? They’re not as widespread as Tesla is, but some suggest they’re better than Teslas.
Re:Tesla Autopilot director contradicts Musk’s self-driving ... by kosievdmerwe on Sunday May 09, 2021 @11:31AM (#27096789)
Waymo also has actual robotaxis.
Re:Tesla Autopilot director contradicts Musk’s self-driving ... by avereveard on Sunday May 09, 2021 @04:06PM (#27099255)
Waymo also hasn't killed anyone