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Re:Ursula Le Guin Books by pmoriarty on Saturday May 08, 2021 @01:42PM (#27089234)
"But sadly it's been a long time, if ever (I haven't checked), since we saw any speculative fiction making it onto shortlists or winning prizes on say the Booker Prize[0], because it's not "literary" enough (bloody snobs)."

Yeah, snobbishness is a huge problem in literature, visual art, and music... in all culture, probably.

Some people want desperately to be the gatekeepers of taste, and unfortunately the rest of society lets them get away with it.

On the other extreme, there's a lot of trashy cultural production ("kitsch") which I find problematic myself, because it tends to be so trite and superficial.. but as a cultural relativist I have a hard time mounting any kind of serious argument against it.

I guess if someone likes something, that should be enough, and there's really not much anyone can say against it that doesn't amount to anything more than "I don't like it".

That conclusion doesn't sit very easy with me, but I can't think of a way around it.

Re:Ursula Le Guin Books by mrec on Saturday May 08, 2021 @04:45PM (#27090520)
Honestly, I don't see this as a problem any more. Litfic is as much a genre as SF, and just as an SF novel isn't going to win the Booker, a litfic novel isn't going to win the Hugo or Nebula. Yes, the Booker judges believe that their preferred genre is intrinsically superior to all the others, but nobody else needs to pay any attention to them if they don't want to.

Twenty or thirty years ago it was different, because the channels for discovery and discussion were so impoverished for anything remotely niche, but that hasn't been the case for a while now.

Re:Ursula Le Guin Books by pmoriarty on Saturday May 08, 2021 @05:24PM (#27090846)
That's true, but the converse is that it's easy for many of the people buying their velvet Jesus' and Thomas Kinkade paintings to ignore the Van Gogh's and Picassos (well, ok, these are hard to miss, but insert your favorite "serious", "great" painters here).

And fans of whatever the scifi equivalent is of the trashiest of romance novels might never get to seriously give Ursula Le Guin a chance.

I think that's a pity.

People are getting balkanized and locked in to their favorite echo chambers. In one sense its good, because you're not getting your tastes and preferences dictated to from the ivory tower by some gatekeeper elites, but on the other hand I think a lot of people are missing out on discovering some amazing art, music, and literature because they're so enclosed in their little bubble from which many never dare to or even think of escaping.