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Re:How college became a ruthless competition divorced from l... by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Friday May 07, 2021 @01:42AM (#27072601)
Maybe someone on HN can answer this for me. Why are these articles about the American system written as if they are new developments. Nothing in this article sounds any different from how things were 50 years ago, and probably earlier. I am guessing that 1. more kids are going to college today than 50 years ago (that should be a good thing) and competing for spots at top schools (thus more competition) and 2. the American economy has not expanded to make use of this increased number of college graduates. I have no idea if that is true, though. Articles like these make it sound like the author is reporting on some great, newly discovered unfairness. But things have been this way in America for over at least half a century. The only obvious difference between then and now is perhaps that there's more people competing.

EDIT: Cheers for the answers. I am going to do some research on tuition increases at state universities, as well as the historical numbers on student borrowing. Any pointers to where I can find such data already compiled would be appreciated.

Re:How college became a ruthless competition divorced from l... by hardwaregeek on Friday May 07, 2021 @01:56AM (#27072710)
A few things have changed. College is no longer a tool of social mobility. It is table stakes to keep your current status. If you do not go to college, you are unlikely to stay within the middle class. People may cite plumbers but they don't make a fortune and the physical toll is quite serious.

Second, funding has been cut for public universities significantly. A lot of public universities charge tuition that is far more than it was 50-60 years ago. Ironically the expensive private schools are where you want to go for low cost college. They can afford to give full rides to a large portion of their population. Hence the competition.

People have gotten better at playing the game. It's like how chess ELO keeps going up. If you did SAT prep, was a nationally ranked fencer/golfer/tennis player, did volunteer work, founded a tech club and had a 95 average in the 80's, you'd have your pick of colleges. Much in the same way your average GM would kill if they were playing back in the 80's. These days you'd still do okay but you'd be competing against a larger pool of people who also did all of these things.

Re:How college became a ruthless competition divorced from l... by Smithalicious on Friday May 07, 2021 @02:55AM (#27073079)
....... Does being a good golfer really matter for this in the US? I don't like pulling the "haha Americans weird" card but I'm glad my education does not depend on my golf game here in Europe.
Re:How college became a ruthless competition divorced from l... by MagnumOpus on Friday May 07, 2021 @05:18AM (#27073975)
Being a top golfer/fencer/rower/tennis player does not just serve as a signal of dedication and grit (otherwise being in the piano guild or running a 3hr marathon or being lead guitarist in a band would help just as much), but also as a proxy of parents being in the 0.1% of wealth - both because these are upper class pursuits and because they are generally expensive to train and find elite private lessons for.

And because of the culture of university endowments/donations, US elite universities massively chase the 0.1% unlike in other parts of the world.

Re:How college became a ruthless competition divorced from l... by hindsightbias on Friday May 07, 2021 @03:28AM (#27073293)
A lot of business is done on the course and you always need a lawyer or finance person. Those who can golf get on the foursome and get the credit.

The less athletic smarter ones get sent the work.

Re:How college became a ruthless competition divorced from l... by the_only_law on Friday May 07, 2021 @06:31AM (#27074375)
> People may cite plumbers but they don't make a fortune and the physical toll is quite serious

The “trades” argument has always felt rather disingenuous to me. Sure you can maybe make money in many trades in a state with a strong union culture or if you own your own business (at which point I argue that the “business” aspect is bigger than the “trade”) one, but in most places I’ve lived, you’re making low 5 figures, maybe upper 5 figures if you have decades of work experience.

Re:How college became a ruthless competition divorced from l... by tolbish on Friday May 07, 2021 @02:11AM (#27072798)
These are new developments. Like the sibling comment mentioned, state funding dried up after the turn of the millennium.

In addition, college is much, much more expensive as a whole, thus saddling these kids with debt that they foolishly take on because everyone kind of tells them they should go in debt for the prestige and opportunity. Last I read, the average student leaves school with $30,000 in student loans.

Re:How college became a ruthless competition divorced from l... by SadCanadian on Friday May 07, 2021 @03:56AM (#27073482)
Class structures existed for centuries in America (despite being branded a classless society), but the difference now is that, because economic growth has been stagnant for 5 decades and running now (as you allude to), the middle classes have little hope of cracking into the sectors where the growth is occurring (like in high finance).

The key thing is there's nothing for these grads to do except compete with one another for a share of increasingly limited spots.

It's new in the sense that it's really the first time that Americans will have to acknowledge that one of the tool that was supposed to be the champion of social mobility (education) is no longer working well. And, that America will probably resemble the very thing it loathed: a sort of immobile society where your prospects will be increasingly determined by your parents position in society. Basically a lot like Britain, except with the veneer of American Exceptionalism.

Re:How college became a ruthless competition divorced from l... by nitwit005 on Friday May 07, 2021 @02:02AM (#27072742)
There are certain topics that get reliable readers, despite having been true for the last 100 years or so. You can publish them on a slow news day. Stories like "the plight of the small farmer", "child care is awfully expensive", and so forth.
Re:How college became a ruthless competition divorced from l... by GPerson on Friday May 07, 2021 @02:20AM (#27072864)
This is an interesting theory but I think it is too cynical. Dan Markovits has written on this topic for the last several years.
Re:How college became a ruthless competition divorced from l... by nitwit005 on Friday May 07, 2021 @04:03AM (#27073526)
That's viewing things from the author's point of view, while I was suggesting the publisher's motive for wanting an article with this sort of theme. Ultimately the publisher is maximizing readership, and thus revenue.