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Re:How college became a ruthless competition divorced from l... by WalterBright on Friday May 07, 2021 @01:02AM (#27072361)
> when really they didn't do much at all

That's where the in-person interview comes in. It's a lot harder to fake one's way through that.

Re:How college became a ruthless competition divorced from l... by hardwaregeek on Friday May 07, 2021 @01:11AM (#27072418)
The in person interview has little to no bearing on your application. It can provide a minor positive boost but no negative value. Besides, the interviewers I had were all nice enough people but definitely possible to trick or BS.
Re:How college became a ruthless competition divorced from l... by WalterBright on Friday May 07, 2021 @01:24AM (#27072494)
Even if one asks probing questions about the project the candidate lied about doing?
Re:How college became a ruthless competition divorced from l... by ryandrake on Friday May 07, 2021 @01:41AM (#27072590)
So, the technical interviewer says “no hire.” But the VP (who went to the candidate’s alma mater) says yes. And the Director who knows the candidate’s uncle from the country club says yes. And the candidate really laid it on thick for the hiring manager who has the final say. What did the tech nerd say, again?

It increasingly feels like the world’s reward systems have been captured by and saturated with these charming phonies who only know how to game the system. Put all your skill points into charisma and people will just hand you money and opportunities. I’ve spent my whole career perpetually a couple of rungs down the totem pole from these well-pedigreed charmers, and hear them talk their smooth, but ultimately empty talk over and over.

Whether it’s college applications or job applications, the longer I go at it, the more convinced I am that the ability to “seem like the right kind of successful sort of person” gives you the best results. Better than track record, better than demonstrable skills, better than potential and willingness to do hard work.

Re:How college became a ruthless competition divorced from l... by WalterBright on Friday May 07, 2021 @03:46AM (#27073402)
Scott Adams talks about this in one of his books (How To Fail At Everything). Generally, one's dress, tone, vocabulary choice, and grammar are indications of status that others read. The good news is once one is aware of it, one can fake that.

"I'm reasonably sure that my fake voice, with its low notes and artificial confidence, made me appear more capable than I was, and that wasn't difficult because I was largely incompetent at every corporate job I held. Despite my obvious lack of ability, nearly every boss I had—and there were many—identified me as a future corporate executive."

Re:How college became a ruthless competition divorced from l... by GPerson on Friday May 07, 2021 @02:46AM (#27073016)
I feel palpable despair about this. For me it has tended to imply that the work itself is not valuable, for otherwise the incentive system would be corrected quickly.
Re:How college became a ruthless competition divorced from l... by tlqsb on Friday May 07, 2021 @03:51AM (#27073446)
What would be the corrective factor? The charismatic oligarchy has inserted itself between the productive people and the money.

The Gervais principle is a thing. The charismatic CEO is helped by the 90% mediocre employees, who like the system. The 10% productive employees are exploited and shouted down.

All that the 10% can do is change jobs or start a company.

Re:How college became a ruthless competition divorced from l... by GPerson on Friday May 07, 2021 @11:50AM (#27077169)
I guess I long to work on teams where the outcome and the actual activity of working on the project are the primary motivators for the people involved, and not the associated status or credit gain. So when I said it seems to imply the work is not valuable, I meant in the view of the people working.
Re:How college became a ruthless competition divorced from l... by hardwaregeek on Friday May 07, 2021 @01:44AM (#27072620)
Oh lemme clarify. I thought you were talking about college interviews. If we're talking about job interviews then certainly they can cut through someone's BS.