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Re:The AskHistorians subreddit banned Holocaust deniers (2018) by Pfhreak on Thursday May 06, 2021 @11:38AM (#27064872)
> can you honestly not understand the dangers of the path you're going down?

I downvoted you, and I consider your question here hyperbolic. I don't think you are being disingenuous, I believe that you sincerely hold your belief, I just view your concerns as a modern day Chicken Little claiming the sky is falling. I've looked at the same set of data and come to different conclusions than you.

I don't think we'll see eye to eye, and I don't think it's likely we'll convince each other of anything, so I don't know how worthwhile this comment even is, but I thought I'd pass it along as a "Here's one reason why people might be downvoting you and here's how you are being perceived."

Maybe that's not valuable, maybe you already know that's why people are downvoting. I dunno, it just felt like you were accusing your downvoters of not being rational actors, and I suspect your downvoters look at you the same way?

Re:The AskHistorians subreddit banned Holocaust deniers (2018) by claytongulick on Thursday May 06, 2021 @11:42AM (#27064954)
It is valuable, and I appreciate your response.

It may not surprise you to know that I fundamentally disagree with downvoting in general- I feel like there a difference between signaling "this is low quality content" and "I disagree with your point".

In HN there's no way to make that distinction, so if you want to express a viewpoint that's unpopular (which we should encourage in debate) you have to be willing to pay a karma penalty.

Re:The AskHistorians subreddit banned Holocaust deniers (2018) by tptacek on Thursday May 06, 2021 @11:49AM (#27065078)
Please stop going on about downvoting. The guidelines specifically ask you not to.
Re:The AskHistorians subreddit banned Holocaust deniers (2018) by Pfhreak on Thursday May 06, 2021 @11:46AM (#27065022)
I feel the same, actually. I'm a Marxist. I often get downvoted for mentioning something about socialism or social justice in general. I believe many of those downvotes are because the community here is not particularly fond of that ideology.

I get it. I'm not particularly fond of lots of ideologies. But I don't have tools here to differentiate between, "I disagree" and "Your comment is structurally bad (rude/breaks the rules/is low effort/etc."

I think we'd both benefit from breaking the coupling between those two reasons to downvote. (And yes, I'm aware that downvoting because you disagree is against the rules, but I don't think that stops anyone. :D )

Re:The AskHistorians subreddit banned Holocaust deniers (2018) by tptacek on Thursday May 06, 2021 @11:50AM (#27065096)
Downvoting because of disagreement is specifically allowed here, and pretty much always has been.
Re:The AskHistorians subreddit banned Holocaust deniers (2018) by Pfhreak on Thursday May 06, 2021 @12:03PM (#27065280)
You know, I could have sworn I read in the guidelines somewhere that downvotes aren't to be used just to signal that you disagree, but in diving a bit deeper I think that's just one of those things that people say, but doesn't actually ground to any specific rules/guidelines.

And in fact, an early post says the opposite -- downvoting because you disagree is fine: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171

Re:The AskHistorians subreddit banned Holocaust deniers (2018) by jimmux on Thursday May 06, 2021 @11:03PM (#27071620)
You might be thinking of the Reddit guidelines, where this rule is famously never observed.