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Re:Please fix the AWS free tier before somebody gets hurt by murukesh_s on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @11:45PM (#27045943)
agreed especially when compared to say Heroku or Digital ocean. I see many new comers struggling to deploy a small website. It's overwhelming. I understand that Heroku exists for such users and they are using AWS under the hood, but is there any service which takes AWS cloud APIs and simplifies it with a leaner UX?
Re:Please fix the AWS free tier before somebody gets hurt by dmitriid on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @05:57AM (#27048053)
> agreed especially when compared to say Heroku or Digital ocean.

Funnily enough, I've never ever been able to understand what Heroku is, or how to deploy anything useful on it :) But I'm old, and I've always found it easier to tinker with nginx configs.

Re:Please fix the AWS free tier before somebody gets hurt by murukesh_s on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @10:05AM (#27049954)
Heroku is very simple - you just create an app and "push" code to a repository tied to the app. You need to write code of course, but they auto-detect the language and prepare the environment or platform for you (so platform as a service). They tried to appease the geeks by making everything powered by CLI - but otherwise its just point and click for deploying apps.

Tinkering with nginx is good, but what if you want to add a database, a cache, a logging service? What if you want to automatically build code when you push to github? What if you want to easy clone multiple environments (for staging, prod etc) without never doing an SSH into server? What if you want to have versioned releases that you can easily rollback to a specified version or push a branch into one environment and another branch into another environment? And you get a workable subdomain for every environment you build with SSL enabled. All of that can be scaled down and up with literally few clicks.

Re:Please fix the AWS free tier before somebody gets hurt by dmitriid on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @11:36AM (#27051263)
> but what if you want to add a database, a cache, a logging service?

I... just add it. How do I add it in heroku where everything is "just create an app and push it" and everything is separate "dynos" (whatever that is), each with different pricing, storage, bandwidth etc.

Re:Please fix the AWS free tier before somebody gets hurt by murukesh_s on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @01:49PM (#27053172)
that is true. everything is a separate dyno - means separate machine/vm to which you need to connect to. You get free tier for almost all databases and you only need to know how to connect to it, not tinkering with the storage, tune the parameters, scheduled backups, automatic scalability etc - that's done for you. it will become expensive once you go past free tier or the cheap tiers though.
Re:Please fix the AWS free tier before somebody gets hurt by dmitriid on Thursday May 06, 2021 @05:43AM (#27060984)
> not tinkering with the storage, tune the parameters, scheduled backups, automatic scalability etc - that's done for you.

Thing is: if we're looking for free, that may make sense. you still need tinkering though: you need to figure out what the whole dyno thing is about and how to connect from one dyno to another, and so on.

However, if we expand this a tiny bit to cheap and/or free, then simply running the lowest-tier server at Digital Ocean will be a better proposition. And installing a database these days is basically the same thing: run a command to install, all you need is to connect to it. No tinkering. And it will still probably scale significantly better than a free tier at Heroku :)

Once again, I'm biased and old, and can afford to spend money on side projects. I know that sometimes even $15 a month is out of reach (oh, I've been there). But yeah, this sorta prevents me from ever understanding Heroku :)

Re:Please fix the AWS free tier before somebody gets hurt by TheFlyingFish on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @12:08PM (#27051730)
I think that's basically what Lightsail is supposed to be. I haven't used it myself, but from glancing at it they're pretty clearly targeting DO/Linode/Vultr etc.
Re:Please fix the AWS free tier before somebody gets hurt by mgkimsal on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @08:02AM (#27048820)
I think there's some verticals - players that simplify/aggregate SES, or S3, or whatever - but none that handle being a layer on top of most/all of AWS.
Re:Please fix the AWS free tier before somebody gets hurt by rorykoehler on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @04:28AM (#27047507)
AWS have a multitude of services that do this already. I’d recommend to go through their services one by one and learn what they offer.