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Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by philsnow on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @07:41PM (#27044265)
> When pressed on the issue, [Warren Buffet] has told shareholders that a lower price would bring unsophisticated short-term investors into the stock.

there's BRK.B for that. BRK.A is what, a vanity stock?

I've long had the idea that the reason to buy any BRK.A is because ownership of a single share allows you to go to the shareholders meeting in Omaha.

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/021615/what-differe... doesn't mention the shareholders meeting, so maybe that's outdated or apocryphal.

Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by harry8 on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @08:52PM (#27044777)
> When pressed on the issue, [Warren Buffet] has told shareholders that a lower price would bring unsophisticated short-term investors into the stock.

With respect to Buffet who has talent and is not a total fraud he gets a large fraction of his outsized returned in trades not available to you and me. Off market placements for example. Do you think your returns would have improved if you could buy Goldman Sachs at a 20% discount to market? Yeah me too.

Marketing and promotion is one way he gets those offers you and I don't. (No not the only way, he has billions to invest too, but his name helps). Having the highest share price for a single unit of stock is something else to talk about and color a story if you're reporting it. He's very good at this promotion. His annual letter was a previous generation's version of Elon Musk's tweeting, hiring onion writers, flame throwers and so on that gets Elon so talked about.

It's a skill, a talent. Finding the opportunities and exploiting them in a way that doesn't significantly blow back at you. Buffet executes it brilliantly. Something to consider in your own business. Is there something else you can exploit like that which would make for a paragraph in the story of your company?

Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by valuearb on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @01:55AM (#27046665)
Buffett’s highest returns by far were before he did any “off market placements”.
Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by nojito on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @09:19PM (#27044981)
Do you have a source on his off market price discounts?
Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by nuclearnice1 on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @09:26PM (#27045026)
It is presumably a reference to his private placement with Goldman Sachs in 2008.

https://www.goldmansachs.com/our-firm/history/moments/2008-b...

Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by eru on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @01:25AM (#27046511)
You can also trawl through the Money Stuff backlogs to find similar comments.

The 'Buffett halo' is worth paying for.

Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by Avalaxy on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @05:10AM (#27047766)
Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by CapriciousCptl on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @07:59PM (#27044408)
You can go to the meeting with BRK.B. Buffett prefers long-term holders, and the feeling was a higher share price makes things a little less liquid. With fractional share ownership it's kind of a wash now.

Even BRK.B would be 50x more its current price but it had to be split when they bought Burlington Northern with stock to accomodate BNSF shareholders.

The major difference is voting power. Economic interest is pro rata, but voting is much different (not that it matters in the current environment). That, and BRK issues direct tender offers to BRK.A holders.

Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by nthot on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @09:23PM (#27045004)
Voting power is in my understanding the real reason. Dollar for dollar a shares have seven times the voting power of a b share. Following his death, the foundations he has bequeathed his wealth to need to sell his shares over the course of ten years. Ordinarily this would result in institutional investors having a majority of the voting power. To avoid this the a shares will be converted to b shares in order to reduce the voting power. A shares are by and large held by investors who have been with Berkshire for decades. Hopefully they will continue the long term focus of Berkshire. Once their progeny start inheriting the shares I think all bets are off. I worry activist investors will convince institutional investors to break Berkshire apart.
Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by nuclearnice1 on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @09:30PM (#27045068)
What are your concerns with Berkshire being split up after he passes away?
Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by nthot on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @10:30PM (#27045501)
Many of the individual businesses within Berkshire are able to act with a long term horizon that I think is uncommon within the stock market as a whole. Profits and float are able to be reinvested within Berkshire in a much more tax efficient way than separate companies.

One example is BNSF. Most railroads are on warpath to increase operating margin as much as possible. Cutting routes, laying off staff, and neglecting customer satisfaction are the norm. Imagine being laid off after your company has had its most profitable year ever. These actions are being dictated by institutional investors. BNSF is the only major railroad not taking on precision railroading. It's possible that this will be a failure on BNSF's part, but Berkshire is willing to take the bet and act differently from everyone else on the idea that this will be better long term. Institutional investors are not interested in that.

Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by tych0 on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @07:55PM (#27044377)
I think you get tickets with BRK.B too. A friend of mine sells the tickets he gets on ebay and says that's a bigger dividend than the stock will ever pay :)
Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by hnburnsy on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @10:01PM (#27045312)
Owning BRK and no dividend is the best thing since sliced bread in my taxable investment account; the 8% discount on Geico insurance is nice too.
Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by hellbannedguy on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @12:32AM (#27046199)
We need to start listing what we all pay here for auto insurance.

I have a feeling it's a rigged industry, and has very powerful lobbyiests. (That part after the comma is true in California.)

I'll start:

1. age 50

2. no moving violations.

3. bare bones legal minimum in CA. (15-30-5)

4. $550 year, with a Covid credit of $6.30

5. I'm with Mercury.

(I looked into pay per mile, but I don't have a computer in my vechicle.)

Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by phonon on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @03:03AM (#27047000)
Pricing for auto insurance is all fully public information, that states' approve. There is no "discretion". You can look it up yourself. Search for "SERFF" and your state.

Also, auto insurance has the lowest profit margins of any type of insurance.

Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by nimih on Friday May 07, 2021 @12:49AM (#27072282)
Unfortunately, in some states, even after reading and cross-referencing dozens of obtuse rules and tables from a given company's rules and rates filing, you may eventually find that the final premium relies on the output of some manner of GLM/tree model that you'll never have access to.
Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by phonon on Saturday May 08, 2021 @10:49PM (#27092762)
True, you might need to review those rate/rule filings across several states to tease out the more obscure aspects...or any large actuarial firm can do it for you.
Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by ArnoVW on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @05:08AM (#27047751)
All of those things are for sure taken into account, but the key input for pricing is:

  - type / year / color of car (gives price and your attitude)
  - how many km driven / year (no risk if it stays always on your drive!)
  - where is it parked
A small anecdote: I did a project for an insurer once. When we discussed the extreme detail the actuarials wanted for each policy, the client remarked half jokingly that the color + engine size was almost enough for the actuarial model.
Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by Kalium on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @08:22AM (#27048968)
(Disclosure: I work for a car insurance company. I am not an actuary and have no special insights into how premiums are calculated.)

Gender famously matters too - a 18/M is (statistically) likely to be a worse driver than a 18/F. Rates reflect this. Having once been a 18/M, I have no trouble believing this.

That said, it's very difficult to compare across states. Car insurance is regulated at the state level, so inevitably different states (or territories, or DC, etc.) have made different choices over time. You can do a dollars-to-dollars comparison between any two states but there's a good chance the elements of the policies and liability rules aren't the same.

I suspect there's also some adjustment to premiums done for how much it costs to repair things where you live. Medical care, building repair, and car repair are all things that likely come up a lot on claims. If you're some place where these are twice national averages, you might have higher premiums than you would in a place where these cost half the national average. In addition to the chance of a loss varying by location.

Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by nimih on Friday May 07, 2021 @12:23AM (#27072096)
You should probably include your full credit history as well, since in most US states (i.e. where legally allowed) that has a very large impact on your premium.
Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by adamhp on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @08:04AM (#27048834)
Need to include your area and make/model.

29, Clean record for 7+ years, 2013 honda civic, $1140 a year with Geico, in DC/NoVA.

Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by alariccole on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @01:19AM (#27046472)
All fine and good, but wouldn’t you need to list the price of your vehicle as well?
Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by lotsofpulp on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @09:18AM (#27049445)
You would need coverage amounts and driving histories. Even then, it’s impossible to do comparisons without having all the data for losses in various locations and personal history of claims.

Car insurance is extremely regulated and transparent. If you think you’re getting ripped off, go to a different website and shop around.

Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by Kalium on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @08:21AM (#27048962)
Usually insurers get make/model/year of the car, and do a Kelly Blue Book or equivalent lookup.
Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by lotsofpulp on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @09:21AM (#27049472)
That is only relevant if the person buys coverage for the car. Legally, you only have to buy liability insurance, so you can compensate any other parties you injure or damage.

If you borrow money for the car, the lender might require coverage for the car itself. I pay for $500k bodily injury and $100k property damage liability only coverage for $40 per month per vehicle for 10k miles per year.

I had Geico on the east coast at a similar price ($50), but they were more expensive on the west coast so I switched to Amica.

Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by Kalium on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @09:45AM (#27049710)
You're right, I forgot about PL/PD versus total coverage. Thanks!
Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by edgyquant on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @12:44AM (#27046274)
28

1 speeding ticket

Full coverage

1080 a year

Toyota

Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by homero on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @06:25AM (#27048212)
Am I an owner if I own an ETF that has Berkshire?
Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by Denvercoder9 on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @07:14AM (#27048492)
No.
Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by Something1234 on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @11:38PM (#27045896)
How many brkb shares do I need to get a ticket?
Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by prewett on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @01:49AM (#27046635)
At least one.
Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by tim333 on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @03:20AM (#27047089)
Not actually so. You just need to be a Berkshire shareholder. 0.001 of a share will do.
Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by t0mas88 on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @04:18AM (#27047451)
With less than 1 you're not a shareholder, only your broker is. All you have is a contract with your broker about how they split a part of the profits of their share in Berkshire Hathaway.
Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by tim333 on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @11:07AM (#27050829)
Not really. A small shareholding is still a shareholding. You can still go. If you read the meeting instructions they ask for a statement showing you have a holding in street name. I've been a couple of times flying from London to Omaha. It was kind of fun.

Also you are technically and legally a shareholder even if your broker holds the shares on your behalf as is usually the case these days, and attending any shareholders meeting is a legal right whatever the size of the shareholding.

Although just now they are online due to covid but I'm sure the physical meetings will return.

If you do hold 0.001 shares with a broker and you want to go you should request with them to be sent the annual report, also a legal right, and that'll have the invite card. Or if not you can phone Berkshire and ask for one.

Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by t0mas88 on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @11:54AM (#27051532)
A small shareholding counts, but that still means owning at least 1 share. Anything less means you don't own the share. Fractional shares are a different construction (compared to the normal case where the broker holds your real non-fractional shares for you) between you and some brokers that offer it, which result in you not really owning the share and thus not going to the shareholder meeting.
Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by exporectomy on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @07:56PM (#27044381)
Joke's on him now that Robinhood lets those "unsophisticated short-term investors" buy fractional shares.
Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by t0mas88 on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @04:20AM (#27047462)
Joke's on those that think having 0.9 share at Robinhood is the same as owning a real share. Try voting or going to a shareholder meeting with your fractional share and see how it goes...
Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by Mauricebranagh on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @09:44AM (#27049689)
Even more so given his comments on robin hood.
Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by pmoriarty on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @08:12PM (#27044488)
"a lower price would bring unsophisticated short-term investors into the stock"

Haven't "sophisticated" investors been conned, suckered, and fleeced as long as stocks existed and even before?

From participation in the South Sea Bubble (the original "bubble") to the Tulip Craze to Bernie Madoff to Enron to cryptocurrencies and beyond.

Not to mention that deep pockets don't necessarily equal sophistication (even when they spend enormous sums to hire professionals to manage their money), and the fatter your pockets the juicier a mark you're going to make for people whose lives are dedicated to funneling money from your pocket to theirs.

Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by hardwaresofton on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @08:35PM (#27044646)
I think it's just a matter of terminology/framing -- large sophisticated, moneyed market participants is a "financial crisis" and smaller players getting conned/suckered/fleeced is "enabling gambling". On one hand I don't care for the moralizing and condescension but on the other hand, Berkshire has more business/market knowledge in their trashcans than I have in my head.

That said, Berkshire has always been on the side of the little guy in a sense, even if they're a bit condescending about it -- Warren Buffett has been very vocal about investing in index funds (even putting a tiny bit of his money where his mouth is and challenging fund managers to beat it) this whole time and it's been a good strategy over a very long time frame.

Now, one of the things that no one tells you about the stock market is that a LOT of players make money by front-running and middle-manning the whales (index funds, pension funds, etc), so you'd maybe think it was a trap to just make the whales bigger, but in general the strategy of just investing in broad index funds has been good regardless for individual investors.

Another thing that's been made pretty clear in the previous year is that governments will bail out businesses first in crises. One of the really crazy things that Warren mentioned was just how wide "spreads" (difference between pristine debt aka bonds and debt from struggling companies aka junk bonds) got in march of 2020 -- near/surpassing 2008. He joked that Berkshire couldn't even have floated debt in that market, which is why the Fed doing what it did was necessary. The usual arguments of businesses as "job creators" is maybe valid in some sense, but capitalism without repercussions/negative feedback is what we seem to be trying to drive hard to. Companies that are not prudent with their cash and record profits for the last 10 years of extremely loose fiscal policy should be punished. We expect individuals to save for a rainy day, why don't we expect companies to do so?

Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by dehrmann on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @01:12AM (#27046433)
> BRK.A is what, a vanity stock?

Voting rights.

Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by jplr8922 on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @08:29PM (#27044598)
I remember it was a discussion topic during my graduate degree in finance. According to theory, the story about unsophisticated investors is stupid since you could basically start an ETF with only BRK stuff in it and sell it at a lower price.
Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by et2o on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @08:41PM (#27044687)
People were doing exactly that (well, mutual funds), which is why Buffet started selling BRK.B shares.
Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by gregwebs on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @11:44PM (#27045935)
Not quite. Berkshire owns non-public companies.

You can skip ETF management fees and just look up their latest SEC filing. Here is a pie I made in M1 (which you can invest with the click of a button if you have an account) which is similar to their public holdings but with tech stocks (Apple and SNOW) removed: https://m1.finance/6rAREGn34Ai2

Re:Berkshire Hathaway’s stock price is too high for Nasdaq c... by elliekelly on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @12:39AM (#27046236)
Fund shareholders typically don’t show up to the shareholder meetings of the fund’s underlying holdings and don’t vote because the fund itself is the shareholder, rather than the fund’s shareholders. (If that makes sense...) So it did in a way keep the unsophisticated investors from exercising too much control but it did bring fund managers into the mix. Which is arguably worse. Hence BRK.B.