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Re:On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness by NickM on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @02:00PM (#27040497)
Well if we want to be all logical and science-y about this, we can't assume humans are rational beings. People obviously make bad decisions all the time.

Just because lots of people have kids, for example, doesn't mean that having kids makes people happier, and in fact studies seem to show the opposite to be true on average. That said, I'm not trying to say that having kids is always an irrational choice, and certainly it makes some people happier (or it might make people "unhappier" but lend them a greater sense of meaning and purpose that balances things out). But clearly you can't just say "well, correlation must imply causation because otherwise why would people do X if it makes them less happy?"

Re:On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness by d0mine on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @03:07PM (#27041567)
You might be surprised to learn (I was) that it [kids making people "unhappier"] depends on the country https://time.com/4370344/parents-happiness-children-study/
Re:On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness by nradov on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @03:50PM (#27042072)
People don't necessarily optimize for maximum happiness. It's not a good target metric.