On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness

Re:On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness by chasd00 on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @01:30PM (#27040106)

isn't sex/partner/pro-creation at the very root of all forms of life? If you can't have sex then nature is saying you shouldn't have sex.

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Re:On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness by usbline on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @01:34PM (#27040160)

No, this is a social problem and has nothing to do with nature.

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Re:On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness by jnwatson on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @02:23PM (#27040877)

Humans are social animals. The size of our brains, ability to use language, are all "nature's" solutions to social problems.

That women are deep down attracted to men of status is hard-wired, and the result of thousands of years of natural selection.

The nexus among status-seeking behavior, current economic realities, and the changing marketplace of dating, is the primary driver behind "incels".

In other words, nature is a significant factor in this problem.

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Re:On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness by usbline on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @02:44PM (#27041248)

>status-seeking behavior

not nature

>current economic realities

not nature

>the changing marketplace of dating

again, not nature

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Re:On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness by jimmaswell on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @04:06PM (#27042250)

When a monkey vies for status in its group, it's nature, but when a human does the same thing, it's not?

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Re:On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness by usbline on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @02:35AM (#27046852)

Why do you insist on calling social behavior "nature"? Terrible troll.

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Re:On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness by fghthidudhmbdi on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @01:39PM (#27040214)

Even more Darwinianly: if you can't have sex, nature dictates your dna, and the life it produced, is actually worthless.

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Re:On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness by mmmmmbop on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @02:15PM (#27040763)

Calling the DNA and the life it produced worthless seems a bit simplistic. Consider e.g. worker bees, which are infertile and rarely reproduce, but are certainly not worthless -- they are crucial to the success of the hive. This is an example of kin selection. [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin_selection

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Re:On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness by valec on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @02:17PM (#27040805)

worthless is a human value judgement. biologically things don't have a purpose. those with more successful traits on average passed these traits down.

evolution is just things happening. there's no goal, no purpose, no meaning.

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Re:On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness by ObserverNeutral on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @02:56PM (#27041423)

I guess you are saying to yourself "I am worthless" every time you put a condom on... :|

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Re:On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness by MeinBlutIstBlau on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @04:07PM (#27042268)

I love this analysis and I think the faster you come to terms with it, the easier life becomes as a single man.

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