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Re:On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness by kace91 on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @01:19PM (#27039980)
>I can choose to pity or hate him, but having chosen I can’t pretend the choice didn’t exist; it’s something I had to do.

I've had to face similar situations in my family life, and this part really resonated with me. It's an extremely eloquent way of capturing something I've never been able to put into words. Thank you for that.

Re:On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness by commandlinefan on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @02:22PM (#27040866)
I'm really worried for my teenage son. Dating was brutal when I was doing it 20 years ago, and as far as I can tell, it's gotten so, so much worse since. Modern dating can't literally be "winner take all", but it sure looks like it's getting close.
Re:On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness by kace91 on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @06:38AM (#27048282)
I don't think it's that bad. Being the chosen one is harder, but making connections is way easier.

I am part of the generation that went through the change and saw both "systems", and I personally much prefer the current one - at least you never reach a dead end like you did when you depended on friends of friends to meet news people. It just requires you to be more proactive.

Re:On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness by standardUser on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @03:51PM (#27042087)
I strongly disagree, but my evidence is all anecdotal. I'm not saying that literally every guy can find a partner, but I have seen all manner of men end up with perfectly lovely partners (and/or occasional sex partners). And when I say "all manner" I mean dumb guys, ugly guys, short guys, guys with terrible hygiene. The spectrum of men I have personally witnessed have success with women is vast and diverse and even kind of disgusting.
Re:On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness by colmvp on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @06:21PM (#27043591)
As a short guy, I chuckled at being grouped with dumb guys, and guys with terrible hygiene lol

You're not wrong though, both men and women love to make fun of a short guys.

Re:On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness by KozmoNau7 on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @04:33AM (#27047536)
My take on it has always been that you wouldn't want to date someone who picks on physical features like that anyway, it's a giant red flag for an overall shitty personality.
Re:On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness by amznthrowaway5 on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @11:04AM (#27050786)
Nearly everyone has physical dealbreakers, and height is a very socially acceptable one that the vast majority of women have. Most women also filter on somewhat less politically correct factors like race. The total hypocrisy when it comes to this topic is considered acceptable since women control the market.
Re:On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness by amznthrowaway5 on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @07:05PM (#27043961)
What if someone did the same thing to black women? It seems only some "standards" are acceptable.
Re:On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness by skindoe on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @05:54PM (#27043366)
And how many men who are unbeknownst to you alone and completely struggling in the dating market have you seen but are conviently ignored for a couple flashy examples that stuck out in your mind?
Re:On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness by KozmoNau7 on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @06:02PM (#27043436)
The solution is to stop dating for dating's sake, and just get out there and socialize with people. At some point, you'll end up in conversation with someone really interesting and things can/will escalate from there.

Get out of the "dating scene" and just do stuff with people.

Re:On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness by chdaniel on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @02:07PM (#27040630)
I didn't really understand that part. Mind re-wording it in an easier manner for me?
Re:On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness by kace91 on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @06:31AM (#27048252)
When you have to make hard choices in life (staying with a partner, maintaining a relationship with a toxic family member, supporting a friend that's behaving in a way you don't approve), it's easy to be on the fence since you will have arguments for and against the decision.

However, once we choose, we tend to incorporate that choice into our narrative as the solution that makes sense, and reinforce it to the point that we end up forgetting there was once an alternative. "I left my wife, it was miserable, I'm so glad I left", etc.

It is good to not forget that there was once a choice to make, the choice wasn't easy, and there were arguments in the other side that could have won.

Re:On incels, dead bedrooms and the hard problems of loneliness by CaveTech on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @02:20PM (#27040847)
He has abrasive behaviour due to his circumstances. The author has the choice of overlooking the negatives and empathizing with him (pity), or rejecting his behaviour regardless of why (hate).

Both reactions can be rationalized and he has the ability to choose which way he leans.