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Re:Self-Reproducing Cellular Automata by ganafagol on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @02:13AM (#27034543)
If our universe is just one big cellular automaton (that's what Stephen Wolfram claims in his physics project) then one would wonder if we see a similar effect in real life.

Maybe the universe just doesn't use the right rule though.

Re:Self-Reproducing Cellular Automata by newdude116 on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @05:43AM (#27035630)
Stephen Wolfram did not invent this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calculating_Space

Re:Self-Reproducing Cellular Automata by LegitShady on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @02:32AM (#27034632)
> If our universe is just one big cellular automaton (that's what Stephen Wolfram claims in his physics project) then one would wonder if we see a similar effect in real life.

We ourselves and everything around us would be that evidence...it's finding out if everything is made up of cellular automata that's the hard part.

Re:Self-Reproducing Cellular Automata by ganafagol on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @03:08AM (#27034770)
I'm talking about this self-replicating effect in particular. In some distance far far away, there'd be some instance of me exactly identical and behaving exactly identically including writing these words right now.

Or, more generally, some superimposed versions of me partially overlapping, as can be seen with those overlapping Es in the original article.

Re:Self-Reproducing Cellular Automata by LegitShady on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @11:58AM (#27039006)
>I'm talking about this self-replicating effect in particular. In some distance far far away, there'd be some instance of me exactly identical and behaving exactly identically including writing these words right now.

Maybe.

>Or, more generally, some superimposed versions of me partially overlapping, as can be seen with those overlapping Es in the original article.

Maybe - it depends on the complexity of not just you but everything around you. There may be billions of similar yous around you, with some variation based on their history, but it's not close enough 'you' for your arbitrary definition.

I guess what I'm saying is, it really depends on how it all works. The interactions of different cellular automata can still give rise to incredible complexity that might make identical yous very difficult or impossible. Twins have similar circumstances to a high degree but even they can be different physically and are always different experimentally.

It's complicated.

Re:Self-Reproducing Cellular Automata by maze-le on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @05:59AM (#27035719)
This effect also happens with continuous models, as there is only a finite number of quantum states in any finite subset of space. In fact, any notion of infinite space will virtually guarantee that there are exact copies (infinite copies) of you and me doing what we do now. But it's basically only a philosophical question since we only have access to our observable universe.
Re:Self-Reproducing Cellular Automata by tiborsaas on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @07:22AM (#27036356)
DNA copying is kinda similar.

Also look into fractals, since they are self similar.

Re:Self-Reproducing Cellular Automata by mseepgood on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @05:02AM (#27035429)
> If our universe is just one big cellular automaton

Aren't cellular automata deterministic, but the universe is non-deterministic at the quantum level?

Re:Self-Reproducing Cellular Automata by pelorat on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @06:52AM (#27036123)
Just like life in a cellular automata world could figure out the rules behind cell replication and destruction, they could never peer underneath at the mechanism driving it all. For us, is there a level underneath the quantum level? We can speculate (i.e. string and m-theory), but we may never find out because we're made of matter constrained by three spatial dimensions and our sensing equipment is similarly constrained. For an outside entity observing the universe, it may very well be deterministic, and what we see as quantum probabilities and non-determinism are simply limitations in our ability to build better testing equipment, because we can only work with what the universe provides to us (atoms and particles).
Re:Self-Reproducing Cellular Automata by SuchAnonMuchWow on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @07:45AM (#27036529)
your comment made me think of this comic: http://english.bouletcorp.com/2011/12/08/pixel-quantum/
Re:Self-Reproducing Cellular Automata by thewakalix on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @06:50AM (#27036108)
Depends on who you ask. In the Everett interpretation, quantum mechanics is deterministic, and uncertainty about quantum mechanical measurements arises from indexical uncertainty (“which observer am I?”) rather than fundamental randomness.
Re:Self-Reproducing Cellular Automata by SigmundA on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @09:47AM (#27037518)
Why can't cellular automata rules contain a quantum_rand()? [1]

Most games and simulations contain RNG's to make things interesting, quantum uncertainty seems to look very similar to my naive self.

1. https://content.wolfram.com/uploads/sites/34/2020/07/random-...