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Re:How ayahuasca changed my perspective by galaxyLogic on Monday May 03, 2021 @12:16PM (#27026939)
I think basically the same evidence as telepathy.

The spirit would tell me "I'm going to tell you a story you have never heard before, and I'm simultaneously going to tell it to 50 people around the earth, and I'm going to tell you the phone numbers of those people so when the trip is over you can call them and ask if they were just told a story by a spirit and if so what it was.

Something like that. Then we would need to somehow verify that those 50 people never communicated with each other before.

But spirits, I don't think they are interested in doing that, at least from what we've seen so far. And that gives credence to the idea that they don't exist because if they care about suffering there would surely be something they could tell us, how to prevent it from happening. Don't go out tonight, there's going to be a fight.

It goes back to the old question if there is God, why is there so much suffering in the world?

Re:How ayahuasca changed my perspective by gknoy on Monday May 03, 2021 @01:41PM (#27028173)
I feel like this kind of argument relies on the spirt/god/being being willing to do something that is meaningful to us (but perhaps not to them), or something which is not possible even for them. This reminds me a lot of when our children, raised on Netflix, encountered cable TV for the first time. When they were very young, they did not understand that we (parents) could not make their favorite shows come on when they wanted to watch them

Perhaps higher-dimensional beings exist, and have an understanding of the universe that we don't -- but perhaps they are not capable of performing these "miraculous" events that people would consider irrefutable proof of a god's existence. I seem to recall an anecdote (I forget where?) where the human planned to ask the entity they encountered to factor some hard primes, or do something that they knew their own brain couldn't make up -- and the entity dodged it as something that wasn't important.

Re:How ayahuasca changed my perspective by pmoriarty on Monday May 03, 2021 @01:25PM (#27027953)
"But spirits, I don't think they are interested in doing that, at least from what we've seen so far. And that gives credence to the idea that they don't exist because if they care about suffering there would surely be something they could tell us, how to prevent it from happening. Don't go out tonight, there's going to be a fight."

Some cosmologies (in the religious sense of the term) posit that there is a variety of spirits in the world, with a variety of natures and motivations, some benevolent, some malevolent, others indifferent.

So some may want to help you out, others might want to trick you, yet others might hurt you or use you.

Such a view is common, for example, in shamanistic religions, which frequently deal with what they understand as the spirit realm, often with the use of psychedelics.

Pertinent to this article, such a view is common in ayahuasca shamanism.

This is why the shaman uses all sorts of techniques to communicate with, appease, and direct the spirits. They're not, in the common view, spirits that would necessarily be benevolent and helpful were it not for the intervention and skill of the shaman... and there are dangers in the spirit world too, or so it is believed.

Re:How ayahuasca changed my perspective by galaxyLogic on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @12:05AM (#27033954)
Right, there are bad trips and a good shaman can help you avoid them.