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Re:Supreme Court: first amendment allows mature video games ... by Alex3917 on Monday June 27, 2011 @01:30PM (#2702124)
"I am not a doctor, this is a question honestly asked. Wiki claims Ativan is not addictive for short-term use."

The issue is that giving someone drugs without their knowledge or consent is akin to rape. Especially when you're talking about a drug that's fairly dangerous.

Re:Supreme Court: first amendment allows mature video games ... by bdunbar on Monday June 27, 2011 @01:54PM (#2702238)
I agree with your sentiment, but disagree with your metaphor.
Re:Supreme Court: first amendment allows mature video games ... by Alex3917 on Monday June 27, 2011 @01:59PM (#2702267)
"I agree with your sentiment, but disagree with your metaphor."

Why? When a rape victim commits suicide, is that somehow worse than when someone who was dosed with drugs without their knowledge or consent commits suicide? E.g. Alan Turing, Frank Olson, etc.

Re:Supreme Court: first amendment allows mature video games ... by bdunbar on Monday June 27, 2011 @03:19PM (#2702593)
"I agree with your sentiment, but disagree with your metaphor."

> Why?

* People are dosed with medicine all the time without their consent, or rather with parental consent or others acting as guardians. Rape .. not so much.

* And visceral reasons that I acknowledge are not logical but are very real to me: rape is _the_ crime I loathe most of all.

Re:Supreme Court: first amendment allows mature video games ... by tomp on Monday June 27, 2011 @02:09PM (#2702328)
There are other possible final outcomes to rape/drugging...

I too think that the metaphor sucks, not because one would be worse than the other, but because I don't think they can be compared. One is mostly physical, partially emotional intrusion, the other is intellectual... They are both about the most shitty things that can happen. You can only hope that the drugs are powerful enough that you don't really remember what happened.

Re:Supreme Court: first amendment allows mature video games ... by Alex3917 on Monday June 27, 2011 @02:36PM (#2702437)
"not because one would be worse than the other, but because I don't think they can be compared."

If you want to look at it qualitatively, I would argue that there are a wide variety of different types of rapes, and an equally wide variety of different types of forced drug consumption. So I'm not sure you can even compare within the same category.

But what I primarily meant when I said they were comparable is that one should approach them both from a similar normative ethical perspective.