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Re:It's your device, you should be able to repair it by tomjen3 on Saturday May 01, 2021 @05:13AM (#27004662)
>Now when we say that our economy grows exponentially, it means that the amount of matter traveling through this pipeline is growing exponentially too!

If there are people out there who buy phones by weight it is to buy phones that are thin and light, and therefore contains fewer materials.

I remember the phones of the early aughts. They were bigger and could only do phone things (and snake), which meant that you needed a computer, maybe a calculator, a form of MP3 player, a camera, maybe some DVDs to watch in the back of the car along with a DVD player to watch them on.

Today you have all of that in a phone.

Re:It's your device, you should be able to repair it by TeMPOraL on Saturday May 01, 2021 @07:01AM (#27005247)
> Today you have all of that in a phone.

But you replace them every two years. And the market for them is still growing. And there's now a resurgence of a market for single-purpose appliances that happens on top of the smartphone market - not replacing it.

(It's also possible more matter goes into making a modern smartphone than a bunch of devices it replaced, because of the demand for more exotic and more pure materials in the processes along the way. But maybe it doesn't, maybe an individual smartphone is a net matter and energy saver. I can totally buy that, we've made a lot of efficiency improvements in manufacturing in the past decades. But there are limits to such improvements, and in the meantime, manufacturing as a whole keeps growing.)

Perhaps I've simplified my diagram too much - I should've drawn an additional "bypass" into "WASTE MATTER" from every other node, because every step in the pipeline loses some of its input as waste.

Re:It's your device, you should be able to repair it by tomjen3 on Saturday May 01, 2021 @11:59AM (#27007314)
I was merely making the observation that the growth of the value of something is not necessary a linear function of the amount of materials used. I am not convinced, as an example, that the first iPhone caused drastically more waste to produce (or drastically less) than the last one. Yet the last one is clearly much better.
Re:It's your device, you should be able to repair it by TeMPOraL on Saturday May 01, 2021 @01:05PM (#27007846)
I'm not saying it's a linear function either. I think it varies. But I also don't think the value added per unit of resources used is growing exponentially. So the problem still remains, because anything short of exponential function isn't going to impact the overall trend long-term.
Re:It's your device, you should be able to repair it by tomjen3 on Sunday May 02, 2021 @05:41AM (#27013718)
>value added per unit of resources used is growing exponentially

I would love to see the amount of resources that are used to produced each iPhone, because I don't have a big issue assuming that each phone brings, say 3 or 4 percent more utility to its user than the previous model would have.

So, assuming the battery is the most dirty part of the phone, I found the battery size for all the iphone models[0] and even if we exclude the the large ones, the iPhone 11 has a 54 percent larger battery.

The phones were released in 2007 and 2019, 12 years and 3 months apart[1]. That works out to a growth of approximately 3.3%.

So my original assumption was wrong, there has been an exponential growth in materials that nearly matches GDP growth.

[0]: https://itigic.com/how-much-battery-does-an-iphone-have-capa...

[1]: https://www.knowyourmobile.com/phones/every-single-iphone-re...