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Re:Global electric vehicles sales grew 41% in 2020 by rootusrootus on Thursday April 29, 2021 @11:21AM (#26982330)
Eh, we roadtrip in our Bolt, it's fine. We roadtripped in the Tesla, it was fine too. To go to grandma's house, which was way out in the sticks, we'd stop for a charge on the way there, and once on the way back, in either car.

The biggest difference is that there are more DC fast charging locations for non-Tesla EVs but they tend to have fewer chargers per location. Superchargers are less common but there are more chargers at each location.

Both chargers have less than stellar reliability, but I'd give Tesla the overall edge there. But the third-party networks are growing much faster overall, and the quality of their infrastructure is improving dramatically as well. At some point in the next couple years I expect Tesla will need to find a way to allow their cars to take advantage of these other fast-charging options, to stay competitive.

Re:Global electric vehicles sales grew 41% in 2020 by jsight on Thursday April 29, 2021 @11:56AM (#26982798)
I think you are a little biased by having a vehicle (the Bolt) that can't do more than about 55kw. There are more DCFC for CCS, but most are limited to ~50kw or less with most vehicles.

The only comparable network to Tesla is EA and they hope to be about 3/4s the size of Tesla's network by early 2022.

Re:Global electric vehicles sales grew 41% in 2020 by rootusrootus on Friday April 30, 2021 @12:47AM (#26989909)
The chargers we go to in the Bolt are almost all 150 kW chargers. Yes I wish the Bolt could use all of it. No the 45 minute wait isn't really a deal killer. It still took a half hour in my Tesla even though it peaked out at 1000 mi/hr for the first bit of charging.

In my opinion, 99% of everyone worries far too much about the road trip use case and completely overlooks that most people will do almost all of their charging at home.

Re:Global electric vehicles sales grew 41% in 2020 by cptskippy on Thursday April 29, 2021 @01:34PM (#26984054)
Is that in Europe? I didn't think CCS was very strong in the US, most charger are J1772.
Re:Global electric vehicles sales grew 41% in 2020 by jsight on Thursday April 29, 2021 @03:40PM (#26985674)
No, the US has a large number of CCS combo 1 chargers. Its just that most are only 60kw or less, and will only do about 45kw on most cars due to amperage limitations.

The big exception is Electrify America, which has about 600 sites now. Its good enough for many right now, though it isn't as deep or reliable as the Tesla Supercharger network.

Re:Global electric vehicles sales grew 41% in 2020 by cptskippy on Thursday April 29, 2021 @04:10PM (#26986082)
It looks like the number of CCS Combo chargers is in the thousands in the US, somewhere just above CHademo. By comparison the J1772 chargers numbers in the many tens of thousands.
Re:Global electric vehicles sales grew 41% in 2020 by jsight on Thursday April 29, 2021 @09:46PM (#26989029)
That is correct. It would be almost 1:1 between CCS and CHAdeMO, but Electrify America only includes a single CHAdeMO cable per station. Most other networks are 1:1.

Tesla supercharger coverage is pretty good with just over 1000 sites. EA coverage is actually pretty good too with just 600 sites. The # of sites needed for L3 in the short term isn't really that high. The number of plugs is important. I think EA averages 6 plugs per site, and Tesla is a little over 8 per site, with most new sites being 8 stall setups.

Re:Global electric vehicles sales grew 41% in 2020 by cptskippy on Thursday April 29, 2021 @10:46PM (#26989386)
There's not much point in deploying CHAdeMO at this point, Nissan is pretty much the only one using it and it's mostly useless IMO as a Leaf owner. Sure it can charge the car faster but it's also bad for it and will quickly degrade the battery because there's no active cooling of the pack.

I would like to see Tesla transition to CCS in the US but that's going to be a hard sell without legislation.

Re:Global electric vehicles sales grew 41% in 2020 by totheloop on Thursday April 29, 2021 @11:27AM (#26982411)
Tesla vehicles already can, with adapters.
Re:Global electric vehicles sales grew 41% in 2020 by rootusrootus on Friday April 30, 2021 @12:49AM (#26989916)
Maybe in Europe. In the USA they definitely cannot. At least mine couldn't. Sure, I could use the adapter to do level 2 charging, but there is no provision to use DC fast chargers other than superchargers.

*exception being CHAdeMO, but those are becoming so rare now as to be not worth consideration.