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Re:Excess Deaths in 2020 by xxxxxxx12 on Thursday April 29, 2021 @10:57AM (#26981986)
> I thought that the purpose of lockdown (in the UK at least) was to prevent health care from being overwhelmed

Which never really pans out (field hospitals, hospital ship sent to NYC, etc.) - they got strained and perhaps local spots overwhelmed, but never doomsday scenarios we hear bandied about without any evidence. His point is that lockdown doesn't really change behavior and places that don't have strong mandates end up largely practicing safer behavior anyway.

I think there's also a strong argument that lockdown ends up decreasing the time spent outdoors, which promotes spread.

Re:Excess Deaths in 2020 by majormajor on Thursday April 29, 2021 @11:07AM (#26982124)
> Which never really pans out (field hospitals, hospital ship sent to NYC, etc.) - they got strained and perhaps local spots overwhelmed, but never doomsday scenarios we hear bandied about without any evidence.

"The thing you were trying to prevent didn't happen, therefore you didn't need to try to prevent it" is really curious reasoning. "It didn't happen, therefore it was because we did this things" is also a weak claim, but the reverse seems far sillier. Especially if you look at the hot spots where things got worst, like Italy or India. Instead of being glad we avoided that, we're whining that we had to do anything at all.

> His point is that lockdown doesn't really change behavior and places that don't have strong mandates end up largely practicing safer behavior anyway.

Again, this is a curious claim. If lockdown doesn't really change behavior, how can lockdown be responsible for the things it's being blamed for like isolation and economic impact? That is then the fault of the pandemic, and the natural behavior changes that resulted, instead!

Note how toilet paper was gone from grocery stores BEFORE any official action was taken.

Re:Excess Deaths in 2020 by Clewza313 on Thursday April 29, 2021 @11:01AM (#26982046)
If you're looking for a doomsday scenario, what's happening in India right now is probably the worst we've seen since the pandemic started. Essentially every hospital in every major city is full and there are patients dying outside.
Re:Excess Deaths in 2020 by ansible on Thursday April 29, 2021 @11:27AM (#26982404)
Yup. Having insufficient bed space and medical supplies will kill people that might otherwise have survived a Covid-19 infection.

Anything and everything must be done in each country to prevent the hospitals from filling up.

Re:Excess Deaths in 2020 by calvano915 on Thursday April 29, 2021 @11:12AM (#26982210)
Was also looking real bad in Brazil a few weeks ago.
Re:Excess Deaths in 2020 by greedo on Thursday April 29, 2021 @02:45PM (#26984870)
Still is. I expect Brazil to exceed the US death toll in about 100 days.
Re:Excess Deaths in 2020 by xxxxxxx12 on Thursday April 29, 2021 @11:25AM (#26982386)
They've got a fundamentally different society and lockdown is a luxury policy that only rich nations (and people) can afford.
Re:Excess Deaths in 2020 by pessimizer on Thursday April 29, 2021 @02:35PM (#26984752)
> They've got a fundamentally different society

You have to say more than this.

Re:Excess Deaths in 2020 by afrodc_ on Friday April 30, 2021 @02:06AM (#26990282)
Didn't India also aggressively lock down in the beginning as well? Not sure what point the Op was trying to make here.