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Re:I Spent A Coin (And I Liked It) — How I Bought Lunch in M... by retube on Sunday June 26, 2011 @07:02AM (#2697811)
> You don't have that - the owner first looked up the exchange rate to US dollars

What? Any London store that accepts euros will check the rates daily to make sure they can convert back into the GBP price. Currency rates fluctuate all the time, every second of every day.

http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=GBPEUR=X&t=1y&c=

Re:I Spent A Coin (And I Liked It) — How I Bought Lunch in M... by ars on Sunday June 26, 2011 @07:04AM (#2697813)
Then they aren't accepting euros as currency. At the end of the day they will immediately convert the euros to GBP.

They are willing to use euros as a medium of exchange, but only because they know they can exchange them for (to them) real currency. (Currency is relative, obviously. And just as obviously it helps that somewhere in the world there are people who use that type of money, which gives you comfort that even if you don't exchange it now, you can later.)

If this was the fate of bitcoins then it would be a failure. People may use it to send value over the internet, but no one will keep their savings in bitcoins.

To be money you have to be willing to save it. If all you do is use it as an intermediate it's not money - yet. It may eventually become money (historically intermediates often do that - especially if the conversion is difficult), but it's not money yet.

The reason it's so important for people to store the currency in savings is very simple: If no one want to keep your money long term, practically speaking there will be very little of it in circulation, which makes it hard to use.

Re:I Spent A Coin (And I Liked It) — How I Bought Lunch in M... by niklas_a on Sunday June 26, 2011 @07:15AM (#2697817)
Plenty of people save in BitCoin, some would even argue that's where much of it's value comes today. Look at the article from Richard Falkvinge that he linked to for an extreme example.

Nowhere did he suggest that the restaurant owner exchanged his BitCoins for USD. Maybe he saves them and uses them to buy something else. Who knows, maybe he buys the ingredients for his Meze using Bitcoins?

Re:I Spent A Coin (And I Liked It) — How I Bought Lunch in M... by ars on Sunday June 26, 2011 @07:21AM (#2697821)
> Who knows, maybe he buys the ingredients for his Meze using Bitcoins?

If he does that, then why does he look up the exchange rate first?

Re:I Spent A Coin (And I Liked It) — How I Bought Lunch in M... by urbanjunkie on Sunday June 26, 2011 @10:22AM (#2698030)
No, plenty of people do not save in BitCoin, for values of plenty and save that most people would understand.

You might more accurately have put 'a few people hold bitcoins for reasons of speculation'. This is not the same as saving.

[Disclosure - I hold no bitcoins]

PS - it's probably about time that people disclose whether or not they hold bitcoins when commenting.

Re:I Spent A Coin (And I Liked It) — How I Bought Lunch in M... by noglorp on Sunday June 26, 2011 @06:43PM (#2699340)
Holding == saving. Sounds like you are trying to emphasize the difference between investment and speculation, instead.
Re:I Spent A Coin (And I Liked It) — How I Bought Lunch in M... by Helianthus on Sunday June 26, 2011 @09:42PM (#2699738)
No, they are not equal, because that difference he is emphasizing is the definitions "that most people would understand."
Re:I Spent A Coin (And I Liked It) — How I Bought Lunch in M... by baddox on Sunday June 26, 2011 @12:05PM (#2698283)
> * They are willing to use euros as a medium of exchange, but only because they know they can exchange them for (to them) real currency.*

Any person or business is only willing to use a currency as a medium of exchange because they know they can exchange them for other goods. "Currency" and "medium of exchange" aren't mutually exclusive, the former is a special form of the latter that is recognized widely (and in modern times, usually has no intrinsic value).

> * To be money you have to be willing to save it. If all you do is use it as an intermediate it's not money - yet.*

That's an insane definition for "money." You would claim that the fast food wages of a teenager who always spends it immediately is not money.

Re:I Spent A Coin (And I Liked It) — How I Bought Lunch in M... by ars on Sunday June 26, 2011 @10:22PM (#2699842)
> You would claim that the fast food wages of a teenager who always spends it immediately is not money.

Just because he doesn't save it doesn't mean he's wouldn't be willing to if he had a lot of it. He isn't spending it because he thinks it doesn't keep value, he's spending it because he wants to buy things.