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Re:The number of cities with municipal broadband has jumped ... by lolinder on Thursday April 29, 2021 @12:48AM (#26977572)
Don't try to describe a viewpoint that you're only familiar with from stereotypes. It doesn't contribute to the discussion in any meaningful way, and only serves to further propagate the stereotype.

The problem Republicans (in general) have with government-run businesses is not that they operate at a lower cost and so thwart competition, but that they seem to operate at a lower cost because they run on tax dollars rather than on paying customers. Combine that with the fact that the government is not incentivized to make the business profitable and you have a lot of wasted resources used to provide a service that isn't any good but is so cheap to the end user (not to the taxpayer) that it's impossible to compete.

Whether this model of government-run systems is accurate is open to debate, but it's not helpful to set up straw men.

Re:The number of cities with municipal broadband has jumped ... by LimaBearz on Thursday April 29, 2021 @01:50AM (#26977853)
There are a lot of conservative narratives baked into this post. Let’s look at the horrible mismanagement of the USPS. I’m 2004 DHL and UPS wrote a law to increase the pension liabilities of the USPS. It passed in 2005 after being passed by a republican super majority. Prior to it’s passing the USPS use to be the poster child of government done right. Service was excellent and reliable, affordable, revenue neutral or surplus generating.

In light of this new budgetary crisis created entirely by private business one of their attempts to generate revenue was to sell merch. For a short time you could buy an Official USPS Outfit Dog Costume for example, and it was actually working. Republicans saw them doing that and passed regulation saying no you can’t sell merch or do anything outside delivering mail.

The post master general at the time said fine, if we can’t raise money other ways then we need to raise rates. Guess what republicans did. They told them to piss off. After kneecapping the usps they just pointed at them and used them as an example of bad government which they themselves caused. Classic “starving the beast”

The narrative republicans have around government inefficiency is either wrong or entirely self inflicted. The USPS is just my favorite example.

And if the republicans actually cared they’d propose alternatives and be active in the legislative process with an intent on servicing the “average” American. Trying to ban municipalities federally does nothing but obstruct and protect their corporate funders. That is unacceptable

Re:The number of cities with municipal broadband has jumped ... by Mauricebranagh on Thursday April 29, 2021 @05:28AM (#26979015)
In the UK when the GPO was part of the civil service both the postal and to a lesser extent the telecoms side was used as a source of revenue - need more tax add a penny to the cost of a stamp.
Re:The number of cities with municipal broadband has jumped ... by kortilla on Thursday April 29, 2021 @03:37AM (#26978393)
That story is a dramatized version of events designed to be a Facebook meme: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/15/afl-cio/wi...
Re:The number of cities with municipal broadband has jumped ... by clusterfish on Thursday April 29, 2021 @04:37AM (#26978722)
That page does not refute anything GP said except to note that the prefunding obligations concern health benefits rather than pensions, but that's not core to the point they were making.

Try arguing with what people actually say instead of making a strawman of some Facebook meme.

Re:The number of cities with municipal broadband has jumped ... by LimaBearz on Thursday April 29, 2021 @06:43AM (#26979494)
I don’t get the facebook meme thing but I last I heard it being discussed was on a podcast called “opening arguments” around the time DeJoy was brought in. The show is a comedian and a Harvard lawyer discussing policy and law. Highly recommended to those who may not know about it. They research and go a lot deeper than what you’d read in a comment or news article on a variety of issues. Well worth a sub
Re:The number of cities with municipal broadband has jumped ... by matkoniecz on Thursday April 29, 2021 @05:53AM (#26979184)
I am curious, has anything got fixed after latest USA elections?
Re:The number of cities with municipal broadband has jumped ... by CRConrad on Thursday April 29, 2021 @06:37AM (#26979456)
Naah, it's been over three months and Biden hasn't fixed even half of the government problems that have been deliberately introduced since Reagan took over in 1981. Which of course goes to prove that the Democrats suck.
Re:The number of cities with municipal broadband has jumped ... by leetcrew on Thursday April 29, 2021 @09:12AM (#26980709)
> The narrative republicans have around government inefficiency is either wrong or entirely self inflicted.

if it's self inflicted, then it's not wrong. the fact that they can hamstring important services/bills for purely political reasons and still get away with it at the polls is a great example of how perverse incentives in government lead to mismanagement. if you want to persuade me that X government service will be run efficiently, you need to first convince me that a certain mainstream party will not be able to sabotage it.

Re:The number of cities with municipal broadband has jumped ... by dundarious on Thursday April 29, 2021 @09:43AM (#26981059)
A very similar argument can be made for private capital, except it is subject to almost zero democratic controls/influences.
Re:The number of cities with municipal broadband has jumped ... by roenxi on Thursday April 29, 2021 @05:29AM (#26979021)
If literally the only thing standing in the way of sunshine and roses in this picture is that the Republicans are in charge, why is it so necessary for the Democrats to put them in charge?

The Democrats could just let the post office be privatised then run their own, on the side, out of to the Democrat HQ. It'd give them an electoral edge delivering pamphlets too.

The reason they can't do this is because the post office, fundamentally and inescapably, doesn't generate enough revenue to justify running it the way they want to. The Democrat voters don't want to bear the cost of the service they want. And the Republicans have noticed this.

Re:The number of cities with municipal broadband has jumped ... by eagsalazar2 on Thursday April 29, 2021 @10:08AM (#26981352)
Whoa, calm down and show some respect. Parent post is right. That is one of the narratives you hear quite frequently. Your addition is also valid.
Re:The number of cities with municipal broadband has jumped ... by lolinder on Thursday April 29, 2021 @12:02PM (#26982894)
I'm not being defensive (I'm not a Republican), but I do want to ensure that our discussion accurately portrays both sides. Setting up straw men is not only offensive to those we disagree with, it dulls our own capacity to argue for our viewpoint effectively because we never face the real alternative.

I grew up (and still live and work) in a forever-red conservative state. My dad was a glutton for conservative political news, so I grew up immersed in Fox News, Hot Air, Instapundit, Glenn Beck, Drudge Report, you name it. I'm still surrounded by conservative commentary, both educated and ignorant, at every social function I attend.

In all my years of exposure to conservative thought, I have not once read or heard someone say that their concern with the government doing a task is that they'll do it too well. Where do you hear it?