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Re:New evidence that British workplaces are losing viewpoint... by hilbert42 on Thursday April 29, 2021 @12:12AM (#26977368)
"In the United Kingdom, most people don’t feel comfortable bringing their whole selves to work. For two-thirds of the population, talking politics sincerely, on the job, is uncomfortable."

I don't live in the UK but have been there many times including having worked there and I believe this view is reasonably commonplace elsewhere, especially so in all Anglophone countries. I've always been a highly political person even to the extent of having studied Political Science as part of Philosophy Studies and I would also strongly agree with the article's third sentence which concludes that 'People who hold certain, commonplace views, stay silent believing that expressing those views will carry penalty not reward'.

Even with my strong political views, I've always applied that rule of not discussing politics and religion when in the company of the majority of people I know, and especially so in the workplace environment. In fact, my posts here on HN are about as political as I get in public, as I know that even the few who know that I post on HN would never bother to read my comments anyway—as they are just not interested in discussing politics.

Even those who hold similar political positions to me will not engage in or sustain a discussion on a political matter for very long. Thus, I'd not only agree with the Ethical Systems blog that 'workplaces are losing their viewpoint diversity' but I'd also suggest that this position holds generally across the whole population. Moreover, I also add that this view of keeping quiet is much more commonplace nowadays than it was decades ago during the 1960s when my politics were forming. That said, back then there was not the same degree of polarization as there is now—and when it existed it was cleanly divided along the well defined political left-right axis. These days, an axis of view can exist on any number of subjects and it's this wide diversity that's a large part of the problem. Many people are becoming even more timid and thus unprepared to discuss their views, as now there is increased potential to tread on someone's political toes.

It's clear to me why this problem exists and it's because our societies are now much more culturally diverse and far less homogeneous than they were when I was a kid. Back then, many of the issues that confront us today were essentially unknown let alone the subject of hot political discussion—unlike many of those of today where everyone is forced to engage in and espouse the politically correct position whether they like doing so or not.

For example, in the '50s it was just accepted that women stayed home and minded the kids; there was no problem in discussing Islam or Moslems as there were essentially none in Western society; and the word 'gay' had a completely different meaning to what it does these days. And as for the subject itself, being completely taboo it was never discussed (in fact, I didn't get to know the word's new connotation and meaning until I was in my late teens). I was like many others, when we found out its new meaning we were somewhat miffed, as we had suddenly lost a valuable word from our vocabulary and there was no replacement. (Back then, there was a subtle but distinct difference between 'gay' and 'happy' that everyone understood, however by the mid 1970s usage of its original meaning had all but disappeared from the language.)

Most of you who will read this weren't even born in the '50s and '60s so it is extremely difficult for me to convey how very different those times were from now. The shifts that have taken place in many societal values have been enormous and I'd venture to say there would be few times in history when values have changed so much and in so many different areas within a single lifetime. Thus, it's little wonder that many people have found it very difficult to adapt to these massive changes. Similarly, the rise of identity politics has further complicated matters as it has added many more threads to the problem.

If one looks at the problem globally, speaking one's mind in public nowadays is fraught with dangers. No wonder that so few actually do so.

Re:New evidence that British workplaces are losing viewpoint... by mr_toad on Thursday April 29, 2021 @02:01AM (#26977900)
> 'gay' had a completely different meaning to what it does these days. And as for the subject itself, being completely taboo it was never discussed

> If one looks at the problem globally, speaking one's mind in public nowadays is fraught with dangers. No wonder that so few actually do so.

You don’t see any irony?

Re:New evidence that British workplaces are losing viewpoint... by hilbert42 on Thursday April 29, 2021 @06:34AM (#26979435)
"You don’t see any irony?"

If any, it's not indented. My once lecturer in logic would have delighted in giving this text to the class as an exercise, the students would have then set about analyzing what I'd written. He then have said 'this is what you actually wrote, but is it what you actually meant to say?' Answering 'no', I may have been given a c-grade pass if he'd been feeling generous on the day. ;-)

Your implication is absolutely correct, it's crappy writing written in a hurry. My question now is did you get the overall gist of what I'd said? (It would also be interesting to know what good AI would have made of it.)

Re:New evidence that British workplaces are losing viewpoint... by lazyasciiart on Thursday April 29, 2021 @03:06AM (#26978222)
No?
Re:New evidence that British workplaces are losing viewpoint... by feverfew on Thursday April 29, 2021 @05:05AM (#26978886)
Second chance :P

> being completely taboo it was never discussed

> speaking one's mind in public nowadays is fraught with dangers.

Re:New evidence that British workplaces are losing viewpoint... by lazyasciiart on Thursday April 29, 2021 @06:17AM (#26979338)
There is a tremendous difference between "never discussed" and "not brought up in public". Examples of topics that are discussed but not brought up in public are your child's struggle with potty training, whether you will provide them with birth control, whether anal sex is safe, when you and your partner like to have sex, when you intend to conceive, that weird discharge that sometimes comes out your nose, and what you will leave in your will.
Re:New evidence that British workplaces are losing viewpoint... by mr_toad on Thursday April 29, 2021 @07:05PM (#26987955)
Funny that you should make a leap from gay to sex and bodily functions. I’m pretty sure that being gay is not just about sex.

What about dating, relationships, marriage, and having a family? These things are commonly discussed at work. Fifty or sixty years ago being known to be in a gay relationship could be very professionally damaging.

Re:New evidence that British workplaces are losing viewpoint... by lazyasciiart on Friday April 30, 2021 @10:03PM (#27002214)
Yes, and?