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Re:Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll by timr on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @06:47PM (#26975220)
The Imperial College report included projections if all recommended NPIs were implemented. That includes lockdowns, masks, social distancing, and so on.

Those projections were still wildly off the mark. There is no way to look at their projections and take them seriously as modelers. They were simply wrong. They made bad parameter assumptions, didn't question their results or cross-validate, and ran with the scariest projections of their models.

Re:Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll by WalterGR on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @07:35PM (#26975582)
I don't think that's correct.

https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/in-defense-of-mathema...

"For those readers who are unfamiliar with it, the Imperial College model is the one that projected that 2.2 million Americans (and 510,000 residents of the UK) could die from COVID-19 over the next two years without public health interventions."

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01003-6

"When updated data in the Imperial team’s model indicated that the United Kingdom’s health service would soon be overwhelmed with severe cases of COVID-19, and might face more than 500,000 deaths if the government took no action... The same model suggested that, with no action, the United States might face 2.2 million deaths..."

Re:Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll by timr on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @08:46PM (#26976121)
You should read the reports, and not news articles about the reports. These news articles are referring to the very first report, which made projections for the UK through October 2020.

Here's the March 26, 2020 report, covering the rest of the world, with far more specific predictions:

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/m...

In this report, they predict 2.2 million deaths in the US in the unmitigated scenario, and over 1 million in the "social distancing" scenario. Their projection if the US "suppressed" the virus (by uniformly cutting contacts by 75% as soon as the death rate exceeded 1.6 per 100k; by my math, that's about 5,000 deaths) was 474,000 dead.

So, uh...that was wrong.

They projected 40 million deaths, worldwide (current actual total 3.14M) in the unmitigated scenario, with between 1.9M and 10.5M deaths in the "total suppression" scenario (depending on how soon lockdowns occurred).

If you go to the spreadsheet [1], you'll see lots of other fun projections:

* 470,000-670,000 deaths in Japan in the "social distancing" scenarios (current total: 10,031, despite living mostly normally throughout 2020).

* 330k-740k deaths in the "social distancing" scenarios for France (620k-760k "unmitigated"; current total: just over 3M, despite a year of strict interventions).

* Let's not forget their projection of 60,000-90,000 deaths in Sweden, in the "unmitigated" scenario (current total: 13,968).

Overall, their predictions bear very little resemblance to reality.

[1] https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/s...

Re:Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll by timr on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @10:59PM (#26976945)
Edit: I copied the wrong number for current deaths for France. Should be 104k, not 3M.
Re:Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll by WalterGR on Thursday April 29, 2021 @05:38AM (#26979075)
Here's the March 26, 2020 report

Okay. And the revised reports?

Re:Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll by timr on Thursday April 29, 2021 @08:10AM (#26980126)
I don't care what they did after they knew the answer. In the one prospective test that mattered, they utterly, hilariously failed. And in the process they caused huge collateral damage to society.

This is why, in most fields of modeling with any intellectual rigor, we have blinded prospective tests.

Re:Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll by WalterGR on Friday April 30, 2021 @02:33AM (#26990415)
Which report(s) were cited in the official reports / documents recommending / specifying mitigation strategies? Is there a timeline anywhere?