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Re:Dominance of Apple and Google’s app stores impacting comp... by edrxty on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @10:24PM (#26964748)
That's nice and all, but the rest of us would like to be able to use our hardware, that we paid for up front, for whatever we need. Unfortunately iOS boots with an encrypted bootloader, so you can't replace it, and once booted, only supports this lovely walled garden of cat-meme consumption.
Re:Dominance of Apple and Google’s app stores impacting comp... by havernator on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @10:29PM (#26964785)
Then choose something else? I mean, lobby for the change if you like, but you're eliminating my favored choice if you succeed.
Re:Dominance of Apple and Google’s app stores impacting comp... by edrxty on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @10:53PM (#26964956)
We can both have our cake and eat it too, we just need either an unlocked bootloader, or the ability to sideload apps over an ADB-like usb interface. People who don't want that functionality will never know it's there and there won't be any decrease in security.
Re:Dominance of Apple and Google’s app stores impacting comp... by havernator on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @10:59PM (#26965005)
Unlocked boot loader would be fine. Sideloading's fine as long as the UI's bad enough that normal people can't, say, click a link on a website and keep clicking "OK" until the app's installed on their phone, and it also can't (somehow? Not sure how this restriction would be enforced) be scripted into a desktop-based store (as ADB could be, and likely would have been if alternative stores couldn't just be installed directly on Android devices).

Essentially as long as nothing threatens Apple's ability to tell other companies, including other tech giants, to play ball or pound sand, I'm fine with it.

Re:Dominance of Apple and Google’s app stores impacting comp... by jjav on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @06:32PM (#26975094)
> Essentially as long as nothing threatens Apple's ability to tell other companies, including other tech giants, to play ball or pound sand, I'm fine with it.

Is your premise is that the vast majority of iOS users want the Apple control of apps exactly as it is today?

If that premise is true, then having additional app stores available will not change your experience at all. The vast majority, as you assert, of iOS users will want no part in the alternative app stores, thus the Apple app store retains dominance and Apple doesn't need to change their behavior at all. So nothing changes for you. And the few oddballs who want to run non-Apple-approved software, still can, but they'll be a fringe.

But if you're worried that there will be a mass exodus to the non-Apple app store, (if that was allowed) then I'm hearing that there is in fact large percentages of unhappy users, which is itself proof that removing control from Apple is required.

What doesn't make sense it simultaneously assert that nearly all iOS users are happy with the Apple iron fist but large percentage of them are itching to break away from it the second they could. One or the other can be true, not both.

Re:Dominance of Apple and Google’s app stores impacting comp... by fossuser on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @12:54PM (#26971540)
It probably reduces security - if your phone gets taken by a government to be analyzed.

Authoritarian governments would probably require side loaded apps.

Re:Dominance of Apple and Google’s app stores impacting comp... by macintux on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @11:35PM (#26965257)
As soon as Apple offers that, companies like Facebook will tell their users that in order to install their apps, they have to sideload it.

And people will go willingly into that dark night.

Re:Dominance of Apple and Google’s app stores impacting comp... by hugi on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @10:31PM (#26964800)
Sounds like you don't want an iPhone. So buy a different phone that does what you want.
Re:Dominance of Apple and Google’s app stores impacting comp... by edrxty on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @10:55PM (#26964978)
I have several in fact, including the PinePhone which I quite like but isn't really ready for daily use. The issue is Apple is developing a monopoly on high end hardware and there are fewer reasonable options by the day.
Re:Dominance of Apple and Google’s app stores impacting comp... by leadingthenet on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @11:24AM (#26970440)
And there’s a reason for that. You’re making the mistake of thinking Apple’s special sauce is the hardware. It’s not.

It’s the experience.

Re:Dominance of Apple and Google’s app stores impacting comp... by shawnz on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @12:15PM (#26971057)
I don't think they were making any kind of claim about Apple's "special sauce", only that Apple has a monopoly on high-end hardware, which is true.
Re:Dominance of Apple and Google’s app stores impacting comp... by fossuser on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @12:57PM (#26971570)
It is a little weird though.

- Apple has built a world wide empire selling these products in this way people seem to like

- As a result Apple has funneled that money and made world class hardware that's better than everyone else and leads in security/privacy

- Therefore we should force them to break their model because the others that didn't follow suit have hardware that sucks

That's not the most charitable interpretation, but there's some truth to it.

There’s some extra irony that the others in this case fuck over their users by leveraging their data to target ads.

Re:Dominance of Apple and Google’s app stores impacting comp... by leadingthenet on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @02:50PM (#26972714)
Yes, thank you. That's the idea I wanted to express, but only managed to do so in a much less capable way.
Re:Dominance of Apple and Google’s app stores impacting comp... by havernator on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @07:20PM (#26975477)
Don’t forget: “I want to go from two models of mobile OS ecosystem to one, in the name of choice and freedom”
Re:Dominance of Apple and Google’s app stores impacting comp... by skydhash on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @02:56PM (#26972793)
I'm always confused by this one. Every hardware company has a monopoly on their stuff. Sony with their PlayStation is a prime example of this. I've never seen anyone says they want to run their own game on it.
Re:Dominance of Apple and Google’s app stores impacting comp... by stoobs on Thursday April 29, 2021 @12:37PM (#26983307)
Well, other than the homebrew folks and those inclined to sail the high seas, very true. I don't get how this is suddenly an issue just because the device is portable - where is the outrage that developers can't distribute whatever they like on the Nintendo Switch outside of Nintendo's system (which also takes a 30% cut)?