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Re:Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of ... by hn8788 on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @05:25PM (#26961778)
Doesn't suprise me. My wife is from a rural town in NC, and was told by her high school teachers that she needed to lose her southern accent if she wanted to be taken seriously in college. When she was working on or master's degree in Maryland, a writing professor commented "you speak and write so well, I never would have guessed you're from the south". That kind of discrimination is very prevalent in academia and media in general, but nobody cares.
Re:Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of ... by throwawayboise on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @05:48PM (#26962134)
Yes, but this illustrates that it's possible to make changes in how you present yourself to overcome potential class biases. This levels the playing field a lot. And why shouldn't people seeking higher status jobs or education be expected to present and conduct themselves accordingly?
Re:Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of ... by hn8788 on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @06:26PM (#26962675)
When my wife was working in the tutoring center during grad school, they were told that telling a minority student to write in "proper english" is racist. So there's clearly a double standard where you're advised that telling a black student to stop using slang and write in "proper english" is racist, but it's fine to tell a white southern student that if they had talked with an accent and used a southern vocabulary, that it's acceptable to assume they're stupid.
Re:Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of ... by coding123 on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @12:38AM (#26965654)
And now that "anti-racist" advice leaves this student with less of a chance later on when college is over.
Re:Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of ... by open0 on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @06:40PM (#26962861)
"And why shouldn't people seeking higher status jobs or education be expected to present and conduct themselves accordingly?"

Because accent has nothing to doing with "conducting oneself accordingly". Why is the onus on the victim of discrimination to align with your bogus, outdated way of thinking?

Re:Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of ... by bongobingo on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @07:40AM (#26968233)
> Why is the onus on the victim of discrimination to align with your bogus, outdated way of thinking?

Everyone seems to understand what standard American spoken English sound like. If not, we would not have a concept of accents at all.

Perhaps one day all accents will be treated equally, but it won’t be this century. You can rage against the machine, but it will only hurt yourself.

The world doesn’t change at the pace people seem to want it to.

Re:Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of ... by this_user on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @05:59PM (#26962278)
This is pretty much the idea behind Received Pronounciation in BE.
Re:Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of ... by motoxpro on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @05:51PM (#26962176)
"Don't speak like you, speak like me"
Re:Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of ... by intergalplan on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @06:40PM (#26962859)
"Don't speak like you, or like me some years ago, speak how I learned to speak in order to signal that I'm both perceptive and capable, but also not so rich that I can wisely choose not to signal those traits".
Re:Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of ... by Nasrudith on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @10:34PM (#26964816)
Most people are downright hackable and consistently bugged to that effect regardless of strata. Low key mannerism mimicry (not obvious enough to make it look like you are mocking them) consistently gets you received better along with "proper faking" of desired emotions. For some dumb reason they think "proving they can change their apparent true selves on a whim" means they are more trustworthy instead of less.
Re:Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of ... by BeetleB on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @01:58AM (#26966139)
> This levels the playing field a lot.

If one person has to change an accent to play at the same level as another who did not have to change at all - I wouldn't call it "leveling the playing field".

Re:Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of ... by ftio on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @09:23AM (#26969043)
I've had the same experience.

I grew up in Staten Island, the son of a couple of Brooklyn Italians. As a kid I had what I now hear as a comically heavy Brooklyn accent.

As a middle-middle class kid surrounded by other kids like me, I considered my accent normal. As I got older and was exposed to people from outside our little bubble, I began to notice their reactions to my accent, which were always in jest but affected me just the same.

Hearing their jokes and their own accents, I began associate the 'standard' American accent with upperclassness, which I wanted to achieve. So I consciously worked on my accent over a number of years. By the end of high school, my R's were nearly properly rounded. By the end of college, my accent had almost completely gone. Today, it is 100% gone. I speak like a journalist from Ohio, except with more swearing.

In many ways, I miss the accent. I feel like an outsider wherever I am, whether it's at work (where I feel like I'm playing a part to fit in) or at a deli, buying a mortadella sandwich, where it feels like returning to a place I've left. But 'fixing' the accent has undoubtedly made it easier for me to advance my career.

Re:Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of ... by lrem on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @02:29AM (#26966349)
This is really unsurprising for an European. Where I live, a couple day hike can take you to places where people speak at least 6 distinct languages. It's rather obvious that any attempt at mobility will cause you to be treated as an immigrant.
Re:Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of ... by curiousgal on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @02:56AM (#26966516)
> will cause you to be treated as an immigrant.

Me, an immigrant: :|