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Re:India Is What Happens When Rich People Do Nothing by dartharva on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @02:29PM (#26959619)
Apathy from higher classes is not really something endemic to India, and I doubt its intensity is much more here than in other countries. In fact, the "rich people" who can escape to 5-star hospitals in India are in an extreme minority. The real reason is that the people are used to not expecting things from the government. It is a common conception here that if some public service comes from a government agency, it is bound to be of terrible quality. The public mostly tries to avoid government schools and hospitals as much as it can even if alternatives are several times more expensive and as a result, corruption in those institutes gets ignored and dismissed as something natural even when they get more funding.

That's what I feel is the main problem - India is what happens when People do nothing.

Re:India Is What Happens When Rich People Do Nothing by pmoriarty on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @02:46PM (#26959842)
"Apathy from higher classes is not really something endemic to India, and I doubt its intensity is much more here than in other countries."

Let's say you live in a community where everyone has plenty of water, and you just happen to have a lot more of it than everybody else, and you do nothing.

The consequences of that are very different than if you lived in a community that was experiencing a drought and many people were dying of thirst, and you had lots of water and chose to do nothing.

So to compare the inaction and self-centerdness of the rich in India with similar inaction and self-centerdness of the rich in other countries whose population is much wealthier overall and less in dire need compared to India is misleading.

The consequences of inaction in India are much more severe.

"the "rich people" who can escape to 5-star hospitals in India are in an extreme minority"

And yet in them are concentrated extreme wealth and power. It's that wealth and power that could be used to help India as a whole rather than to help this tiny minority alone.

Re:India Is What Happens When Rich People Do Nothing by rsj_hn on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @03:12PM (#26960142)
I think this fundamentally misunderstands paper wealth for real wealth, and financial capital for real capital, and you are getting away with it by pretending that wealth is like water -- e.g. there is a finite amount of it that people need to drink.

What is wrong with India -- and I understand this is not a fundamental explanation but a symptom of more fundamental causes -- is that it is difficult to invest and create more capital in the country. This has absolutely nothing to do with "hoarding" financial assets. What it means is that the credit/financial system is broken, so that if you have the skills and ideas and talent to do something you cannot have your plans priced by the credit markets. If there was a functioning credit market that would help enable productive ecosystems. It is, unfortunately not sufficient, you also need skilled labor that doesn't flee the nation, you need rule of law so that contracts are enforced, you need a stable regulatory environment so that investments can be planned ahead without paying bribes to various officials and interest groups, etc.

Absolutely none of this requires anyone who holds lots of financial assets to get off their as* and do anything at all. If they do nothing and don't invest, they will merely become relatively poorer as new entrepreneurs arise. They are not blocking the production of anything unless they use their wealth to actively create roadblocks (e.g. bribe officials to turn down permits for upstarts, etc). In an economy with functioning credit markets and productive eco-systems, it is not old wealth that innovates, it is new wealth. You still have Rockeffellers laying around but people like Elon Musk arise from the ranks of the middle classes to become wealthy on the backs of new ideas. The lack of Indian Elon Musks is not due to the Rockefellers "hoarding" their oil fortunes, anymore than middle class people like Henry Ford or Thomas Edison didn't get funded by old Timber barons. They got funded by credit markets.

So the problem with India is that while it has human capital, it lacks the other ingredients to create productive eco-systems that can create the capital needed to make India richer and more productive. So look to things like lack of rule of law, a bureaucracy that prevents new entrants, and a credit system that does not properly price new investment ideas. Rich people are merely passive holders of bonds or stocks and play no positive or negative roles in any of this.

Re:India Is What Happens When Rich People Do Nothing by imtringued on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @05:15AM (#26967358)
India is investing, it's growing, all that wealth is being put to use to create jobs. India isn't in need of wealth redistribution like the USA or Germany, where companies are "hoarding" money to the point where inflation goals cannot be met. What India needs is more efficiency and productivity growth to eek out another 2-3% GDP growth per year.
Re:India Is What Happens When Rich People Do Nothing by imtringued on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @05:09AM (#26967320)
Looking 2019 at savings rate and investment rate, India's economy is doing perfectly fine. The unemployment rate is surprisingly high though. How can you have a growing economy with around 7% unemployment? It's a bit weird.

Anyway, just because the macroeconomics look good doesn't mean the government can't do a better job through structural reforms and by providing better public services.

Re:India Is What Happens When Rich People Do Nothing by known on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @12:23AM (#26965564)
There is no cure to psychopaths https://archive.ph/NUSG4 And this is why British recommended separate electorates/countries to UC/BC/SC/ST/MC communities in India https://archive.ph/QkTja