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Re:The more complex crypto seems, the higher the pyramid sch... by haolez on Sunday April 25, 2021 @03:04PM (#26935546)
While you wrote this, your country's Central Bank printed a few billions (or trillions, if you are american) in your currency, so that your money now is worth a lot less than before.
Re:The more complex crypto seems, the higher the pyramid sch... by arcticbull on Sunday April 25, 2021 @03:07PM (#26935588)
This is a dramatic misunderstanding of economics.

Inflation is a function of both supply and velocity. Velocity is low because US savings are at an all-time high. The central bank has a number of tools to contract the supply once velocity increases. [1]

Your statement that an increase in supply leads to a commensurate reduction in the value of each unit is strictly false. And something you can measure by going to the grocery store and checking if your bill is 100% higher this year than last.

[1] https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/2014/september/wha...

Re:The more complex crypto seems, the higher the pyramid sch... by haolez on Sunday April 25, 2021 @04:35PM (#26936436)
Time will tell. Let's come back here in five years.
Re:The more complex crypto seems, the higher the pyramid sch... by o_p on Sunday April 25, 2021 @03:36PM (#26935851)
You are obfuscating with technical terms the fact that the central bank haves the power to devaluate your cash savings.
Re:The more complex crypto seems, the higher the pyramid sch... by arcticbull on Sunday April 25, 2021 @04:00PM (#26936079)
No, that's not what I'm doing.

What I'm telling you is that supply is simply half the picture, and you're neglecting the other half of the picture. If you print a $10 trillion dollar coin, then give it to me and I throw it into a vault, has that increased the price of goods? No. Supply went up, velocity went down commensurately. This is what you're seeing in a macro scale.

Yes the central bank actively manages the money supply, and maintains a consistent 2% inflation rate. Inflation is good for debtors (i.e. most people) as debts are denominated in the currency of the year of issue and repaid with inflated money. So long as wages keep pace (they do [1]) it's generally a benefit.

Money isn't long-term savings. It's a short-term store of value that only needs to be fungible, cheap to transact, and retain the bulk of its value for as long as you hold it. Above all, it just needs to be predictable. Anything else is honestly a non-goal. Your job as a participant in the economy is to spend that money on basic needs or invest it productively.

[1] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/08/07/for-most-us...

Re:The more complex crypto seems, the higher the pyramid sch... by o_p on Sunday April 25, 2021 @04:07PM (#26936159)
But the central bank doesnt print money to throw it into a vault. The commercial banks borrow that money to lend it themselves to the people for consumption and investing, so printing money definitely haves an effect on your buying power even if its not 1 to 1.

Maybe you live in a country with a independent central bank but many countries are far more corrupt and the goverments make their central bank print money for themselves and have huge inflation rates. Cryptocurrency gives them a way to protect their savings from that.

Re:The more complex crypto seems, the higher the pyramid sch... by arcticbull on Sunday April 25, 2021 @04:10PM (#26936190)
> But the central bank doesnt print money to throw it into a vault.

Correct, however US personal savings rates are at all-time highs. [1] So, you are correct, the banks aren't taking the money and locking it into vaults. However, people are taking their money and locking it up in savings accounts and investment accounts. This is reducing velocity. The "printing" was to offset this reduction in velocity and avoid a deflationary spiral. Through lending, so they can be used for productive things.

This also explains how asset prices spiked without actually causing inflation.

> Cryptocurrency gives them a way to protect their savings from that.

I don't want to get too far down this rabbit hole, but literally everything that isn't currency is inflation-proof. Inflation only affects currency. So, if you buy real estate, or stocks, or even un-productive assets like gold, silver or cryptocurrencies, you're equally protected from inflation. It may underperform, but now we're talking about rate of return in constant-dollar terms.

Cryptocurrencies do protect you from inflation, yes, but they have massive deficiencies that make them a poor choice relative to their peer investments, in my opinion. Such as the rampant fraud in the space. This hinders price discovery, and makes it impossible to determine a real value. It also causes massive swings of 27% week-to-date. That's an annualized inflation rate of 25,000,000% when measuring the value of a bitcoin against CPI.

[1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PSAVERT

Re:The more complex crypto seems, the higher the pyramid sch... by seibelj on Sunday April 25, 2021 @06:59PM (#26937528)
Out of all the things you can argue in defense of, central banks printing money and handing it straight to the richest people on earth has got to be one of the weakest. “Just throw out the Venezuelan government!” If only that were so easy. Meanwhile millions of people starve to death! There really isn’t a use for a monetary unit decoupled from the government?
Re:The more complex crypto seems, the higher the pyramid sch... by arcticbull on Sunday April 25, 2021 @08:04PM (#26937958)
New money doesn’t go to “the rich” per se it’s the product of loan origination. Whoever borrows money. In America that’s a national pass time for everyone. I wager the lower income borrow more as a fraction of net worth than anyone else.

I’m curious how an inflation free money might stop people starving in a country unable to provide even the most basic services?

Decoupled from government maybe - though to a degree all the major central banks are. But it’s the passive management by an unelected group who made completely arbitrary decisions accountable to nobody with no consideration for what makes a good currency.

Re:The more complex crypto seems, the higher the pyramid sch... by Yizahi on Monday April 26, 2021 @07:44AM (#26941485)
Government printing press can be abused and often is. But it can be used responsibly (for economy long term).

On the other hand crypto apologists propose us currencies which are uncontrollably printed by some anonymous guys in the non extradition offshore. Just last year 75% of all Tethers were printed out of thin air, since USDT trading amount is 14 times bigger than USD (not even counting tricks like Bitfinex listing USD while actually trading tethers behind the scenes) we can assume that whole crypto community is propped up by a lot of hot air and cut paper.

tl;dr - Look, USD currency management looks bad (or suboptimal). - Let's replace it with even worse scheme! HODL!

Re:The more complex crypto seems, the higher the pyramid sch... by anyfoo on Sunday April 25, 2021 @03:09PM (#26935610)