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Re:The Slander Industry by cercatrova on Sunday April 25, 2021 @10:43AM (#26933084)
I don't need my search results censored, I'll decide what I want to read.
Re:The Slander Industry by jrochkind1 on Sunday April 25, 2021 @05:26PM (#26936836)
There is no such thing as "natural" search results, the search results are the result of complex interacting algorithmic logic that Google implements to try to give you "good" results.

When Google for instance penalizes a site for being slow; or for being spammy; or being identified by the algorithm as likely to be disliked by most users, and not be what they are looking for; or for having spyware; or for seeming to use "black hat" SEO with irrelevant keywords...

...are these actions "censorship"? What kinds of shaping of google results are censorship and what kinds aren't?

The results are inherently shaped, they only exist because of algorithms that implement choices, there are no "natural" unshaped results.

Re:The Slander Industry by markbnj on Sunday April 25, 2021 @11:12AM (#26933336)
Let me get this straight: someone posts slanderous lies about another individual in order to defame them and perhaps profit from the defamation; google is exploited to drive the slander to the top of the search results; and you think any attempt to remove the slander would constitute censorship and compromise the purity of the information you have access to? Really?
Re:The Slander Industry by SuoDuanDao on Sunday April 25, 2021 @03:44PM (#26935943)
The idea that Google should act as judge of what is slander and what is a true allegation of wrongdoing is what gets up the hackles of anyone who still thinks free speech has value. The parent comment said nothing about the slander being proven such in court, google is simply assumed to know what is slander and what is not.

Which of course it doesn't, a state-of-the-art AI's language comprehension is still extremely rudimentary and would be prone to being gamed by powerful malicious actors even if it were human level.

Re:The Slander Industry by krasicki on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @09:07PM (#26964165)
Exactly. A MSM outlet whose own content is dubious and is no stranger to exercising their own self-entitled "opinions". These opinions could be reasonably construed as slander in a world where an individual could stand up against them in court without going broke.

But let's play along and assume that everybody else's speech is the problem. Citizens don't need MSM fitted, woke muzzles.

The co-opting of internet providers to mete out draconian terms of service that strip the individual of their freedom to express ideas needs to be criminalized.

Re:The Slander Industry by lupire on Sunday April 25, 2021 @04:00PM (#26936083)
You are free to choose a search engine that ranks results closest to your values.
Re:The Slander Industry by SuoDuanDao on Monday April 26, 2021 @10:04AM (#26942598)
I'd rather push back against the idea that a search engine that only ever promised to report popularity be expected to now report accuracy or cease operating.
Re:The Slander Industry by parineum on Sunday April 25, 2021 @03:05PM (#26935558)
That is the definition of censorship and it does change the information available. Knowing that someone is being slandered can be informative.

You have to make a choice of what you prefer but the choice you're making is censoring slander or not.

Re:The Slander Industry by unicodepepper on Sunday April 25, 2021 @01:14PM (#26934418)
Your decision is not quite as neutral if all the options you see point in the same general direction.