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Re:Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4 by nine_k on Friday April 23, 2021 @09:04PM (#26921185)
But frankly, it's a light truck. It's contractor's vehicle, or farmer's, but it's hardly a commuter car. It may be reasonable for countryside, like a boat may be reasonable for seaside.

Nevertheless, just googled it:

--- People also ask: How much does a 2020 F-150 cost? From $28,745 2020 Ford F-150 / MSRP ---

Re:Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4 by mcot2 on Friday April 23, 2021 @09:49PM (#26921512)
lol if you think trucks are primarily driven by contractors or farmers. You should visit the south, trucks are most definitely used as commuter cars.
Re:Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4 by Sleepytime on Friday April 23, 2021 @10:16PM (#26921657)
Trucks as commuter vehicles in the south generally still get used as trucks. You're more likely to see trucks with perfect paint out west.
Re:Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4 by brendoelfrendo on Saturday April 24, 2021 @02:34AM (#26922739)
Clearly you haven't lived in urban Texas.
Re:Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4 by meowster on Saturday April 24, 2021 @10:08AM (#26924917)
I live in urban Texas. At a glance, my truck has perfect paint. You can't see the 3rd party liner I put in and the gouges in the truck bed. Most of the time you aren't going to see all the gear or trailers I haul for different organizations. Sure, some people buy trucks to compensate for something, but some of us who have an entry level Ford F150 or Ram 1500 do in fact use them as trucks when you can't see it.
Re:Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4 by prepend on Friday April 23, 2021 @10:10PM (#26921624)
They are, but the reason they are mostly sold is contractors and farmers. And work fleets, etc etc
Re:Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4 by kevin_thibedeau on Saturday April 24, 2021 @12:57AM (#26922356)
Most of the new F150s and other full sized trucks sold now are four door models. They are entirely grocery getter commuter vehicles with their stubby 5 foot beds. It is now rather difficult to get pickups with smaller cabs.
Re:Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4 by hashkb on Friday April 23, 2021 @09:52PM (#26921521)
It's a very light truck. Especially these days. Seems like a vanity vehicle mostly. If you're hauling you have a bigger truck, and if you're offroading you have a jeep or something.

Nobody is using electric for anything that we'd relate to as "critical" or "high availability". In fact, there are trucks that just bring gasoline to bigger trucks.

Source: I live at 8300ft in Colorado.

Re:Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4 by cranekam on Saturday April 24, 2021 @01:18AM (#26922447)
The difference in what’s called “light” in the US and Europe is huge. The F-150 is, to me (a European), a very substantial vehicle. Its front end is the height of a medium-sized family car!
Re:Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4 by flyinglizard on Saturday April 24, 2021 @06:32AM (#26923826)
In Israel there are no F-150s, but their larger siblings like the F-350 and the Silverado are very popular (admittedly with contractors, you don't see white collar people buying them). Reason is, they are classified as proper trucks for tax calculation, so you get all kind of write offs and don't pay VAT (17%) on them.

The same people used to drive the smaller Japanese pickups (like Toyota Hilux) before, it just stopped making sense buying these when F-350 costs less due to the tax reasons above.

So it's funny like that when among the regular hatchback and compact car mix you see in any European country you encounter more F-350 monsters than you see in the USA (relatively speaking).

Re:Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4 by saiya-jin on Saturday April 24, 2021 @05:26AM (#26923553)
Yeah almost nobody drives those here. They would take every single time 2 parking spaces and stick out big time, and as mentioned in this thread its mostly a vanity car. Most of the underground parking wouldn't be accessible with it. Contractors/small companies have vans which are much more useful for actual work (ie load capacity, permanently covered) and cost less to buy and run. Which are the most important criteria to run a business successfully.

For personal driving, either fugly SUVs or wagon types offer much better... well everything. Operating costs, much better driving experience, you can actually park it everywhere.

Re:Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4 by kgwgk on Saturday April 24, 2021 @06:03AM (#26923716)
The operative word is “truck”.
Re:Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4 by Dig1t on Friday April 23, 2021 @11:31PM (#26922019)
Personally, I drive an F-150 because I visit Home Depot quite a lot for home projects, take the kayaks down to the lake, and because just generally being able to haul things when I need to is enormously useful. It just seems to happen a lot in normal suburban life.

That said, I will definitely be trading up to a Cybertruck as soon as it’s available.

Re:Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4 by ricardobayes on Saturday April 24, 2021 @04:07AM (#26923186)
Especially the Texas folks after 3 days without electricity. A lesson learned for sure.