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Re:Bugs allowed hackers to dox John Deere tractor owners by cronix on Friday April 23, 2021 @11:17AM (#26915594)
> What your talking about is something completely different.

I wonder if farmers felt the same way when tractors first started coming onto the scene replacing ox/horses and a plow, or combines, or grain carts, or seed drills, or...

Did you grow up using any of that at-the-time "high tech" equipment? It was high tech at some point, now just common tech. At what point is something considered "high tech?" If you were born in the age of cell phones, are they considered high tech, or just common tech you can find on any street corner like gumball machines? If you were born in the 1950's, does your opinion differ on cell phones from someone currently in their 20's who grew up with it and knew no other way?

Technology fueled the Agricultural Revolution. https://www.thoughtco.com/agricultural-revolution-1991931

Re:Bugs allowed hackers to dox John Deere tractor owners by hellbannedguy on Friday April 23, 2021 @12:04PM (#26916148)
If a John Deere salesman knocked on that screen door 80 years ago and said, "Mr. Farmer I have something that will make your life easier. The only drawback is when it breaks down, you can't buy parts, can't see repair documatation, and only pricy factory workers whom live far away will be able to repair the machine at set rates.

The farmer would have slammed the door, and fed his horses.

Re:Bugs allowed hackers to dox John Deere tractor owners by cto_of_antifa on Friday April 23, 2021 @01:24PM (#26916997)
To be fair, if you made the pitch that way to farmer today they would as well - those points are all iffy.

mostly, though, the nature of labor has completely and utterly changed in 80 years and comparing the two is like apples and oranges.

Re:Bugs allowed hackers to dox John Deere tractor owners by cat199 on Friday April 23, 2021 @02:15PM (#26917527)
> those points are all iffy.

for tractors generally, maybe, but have read many things specifically about john deere being very DRM/anti repair, and a quick google seems to highlight that there are court battles being fought over exactly this right now.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-03-05/farmers-f...

Re:Bugs allowed hackers to dox John Deere tractor owners by salawat on Friday April 23, 2021 @03:03PM (#26918003)
And yet... Deere still gets bought. So clearly someone isn't pointing out something they should be.
Re:Bugs allowed hackers to dox John Deere tractor owners by analognoise on Friday April 23, 2021 @03:30PM (#26918282)
Or the comparison is flawed, farmers aren't dumb and it makes economic sense to buy the Deere?
Re:Bugs allowed hackers to dox John Deere tractor owners by freeopinion on Friday April 23, 2021 @11:37PM (#26922059)
"Farmer" is an interesting word these days. Think giant corp running 1 million acres across 200 sites. And think of "tractor" as a fleet of combines that cost $500K each and are shared across all 200 sites.

The picture of a hard-working solo farmer repairing his only tractor out in the barn is becoming a rare thing. When you say "farmer" today, it is unclear if you mean the multi-billion dollar multi-national, the "manager" for this 400-acre parcel, or the lady next to the field operating the drone or mostly-autonomous equipment. Or perhaps you meant the latest breed--that fellow who greases the conveyor belt in the metal building in the middle of town where they do the vertical farming with the fancy lights and watering systems. No tractors or even dirt involved.