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Re:The real reason to end the death penalty by Pet_Ant on Thursday April 22, 2021 @02:25PM (#26906160)
> In other words I absolutely believe there are just executions

I think that is the GP,s point: the real problem is to convince you otherwise.

Re:The real reason to end the death penalty by ectopod on Thursday April 22, 2021 @02:40PM (#26906407)
Why? If he (or she) believes or can be convinced that the death penalty should be abolished, why do you care if they also believe that some of the executions that already happened were just?
Re:The real reason to end the death penalty by Pet_Ant on Thursday April 22, 2021 @04:44PM (#26907958)
1) because it implies that one day they might be it favour of bringing them back with the right technology etc

2) because you want to convince people of important moral principles. I don't want you to not beat your wife because you'll get caught, but because it's inherently wrong.

Re:The real reason to end the death penalty by jcims on Thursday April 22, 2021 @05:19PM (#26908352)
Certainly fodder for ongoing discussion but I think it’s important to prioritize goals.

Alignment on public policy decisions allows for more degrees of freedom in underlying philosophical differences than attempts to align on the philosophical primitives themselves. It also achieves an immediate goal.

Plus if you are engaging in conversation in a good faith attempt to understand and be understood, you have to allow for the case that your views are moderated or changed as well.

(The distance you feel from that right now is approximately the same I feel in the opposite direction.)

Re:The real reason to end the death penalty by jcims on Thursday April 22, 2021 @04:05PM (#26907508)
Exactly.