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Re:Waking Up During Surgery (2019) by LeifCarrotson on Thursday April 22, 2021 @09:30AM (#26902507)
I wonder if the journalist is asking the wrong people.

Instead of interviewing patients supposed to be under drug-induced amnesia, and finding the few who remembered, ask the doctors and nurses who are being asked to restrain patients in distress. A specialist in a procedure that requires light general anesthesia would, if this was true, have done surgery on thousands of people in various degrees of distress.

To me, that would be a pretty heavy secret to carry, and a 'conspiracy' that large would be impossible to conceal. I do agree, though, that pain without memory is pretty much as good as no pain. When you're conscious but unable to remember being conscious, are you still capable of suffering?

Re:Waking Up During Surgery (2019) by nefitty on Thursday April 22, 2021 @12:36PM (#26904740)
My initial intuition to your last question was, “No, suffering usually entails some sort of looking-back process that places the pain in that context.”

I then realized that animals can suffer, and either I’m confounding Buddhist and Western psychological definitions of suffering, or suffering doesn’t require consciousness of it occurring for it to be suffering.

I hope that makes sense!

Re:Waking Up During Surgery (2019) by pmiller2 on Thursday April 22, 2021 @08:23PM (#26909697)
The difference is that when an animal suffers, they retain memories. One only need to consider something like this story I heard about a dog on Reddit, who was scared of obese people and men. Turns out, the dog was severely abused by a 500-lb man who was its former owner.