Re:EFF sues Proctorio on behalf of student falsely DMCA'd
by mkl on Thursday April 22, 2021 @07:43AM
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Not in my experience. I don't think there are enough cheaters to shift the curve (the noise from year to year is much more significant), and despite what you'd expect, the people hired to do others' assessments aren't necessarily very good at it!
Re:EFF sues Proctorio on behalf of student falsely DMCA'd
by derivagral on Thursday April 22, 2021 @11:33AM
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A top 10 MBA program my partner went through had several people cheating in the program. I'll give you some anecdotal notes. Some cheaters get discovered and "outed" (esp those the group didn't like) when they brag during parties, some never gave up enough evidence to make an accusation official, others would talk about hiring CPAs for accounting exams/projects. Many in the class were concerned on whether normal study groups counted as cheating, as defined by the honor code!
A sibling program at the university exposed a cheating ring of ~15-20 people, and I think many were surprised that the result was to simply zero their grades for that class instead of more severe action.
/e I mention incidents and sizes since these programs are not thousands of students but tens or hundreds.
Re:EFF sues Proctorio on behalf of student falsely DMCA'd
by necovek on Thursday April 22, 2021 @03:47PM
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What kind of an MBA program is it where students worry if normal study groups are ok?
It sounds like the definition of cheating was very broad there.
Re:EFF sues Proctorio on behalf of student falsely DMCA'd
by derivagral on Friday April 23, 2021 @09:40AM
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Depends on you, the professor, the college, and the rules as to how you might interpret "individual" homework assignments and study "groups", particularly if you're led to believe you'll get removed from the program for transgressing. This particular issue was fleshed out quickly (and sanely, imo) but it did contribute to why the group didn't like one particular individual. Not everyone in the program is there to network and build trust!
Re:EFF sues Proctorio on behalf of student falsely DMCA'd
by dariosalvi78 on Thursday April 22, 2021 @02:24PM
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I switched to online exams this year, no zoom, no special software, no checks at all. Grades were as usual. A couple of students cheated and were detected, all the others were very honest to the point that I wouldn't be myself if I were in their place.
It can work, but you need to expect people to look up things.
Re:EFF sues Proctorio on behalf of student falsely DMCA'd
by davrosthedalek on Thursday April 22, 2021 @03:57PM
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One of my colleagues had an online exam. The exam was uploaded to chegg within minutes, by multiple people. Unfortunately, the tests were personalized, so the people could be identified.
I think cheating is quite common in the undergrad years, but gets less later.
Re:EFF sues Proctorio on behalf of student falsely DMCA'd
by raegis on Thursday April 22, 2021 @05:48PM
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How did you get access to Chegg? I thought of buying a subscription to check for cheaters, but there were complaints on the net about Chegg charging credit cards on canceled accounts.
Re:EFF sues Proctorio on behalf of student falsely DMCA'd
by davrosthedalek on Thursday April 22, 2021 @06:59PM
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I didn't, my colleague did. Not sure how. He asked them to took down the tests, and they did. Withing a couple of days though. Answers to questions are up within minutes!
While I am against these surveillance software, making sure that tests are fair is very hard, especially since everything is online now thanks to COVID.