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Re:IBM to Kernel Maintainer: “You Are an IBM Employee 100% o... by cmrdporcupine on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @09:33AM (#26874403)
It's true but they also have a reasonable set of processes for open sourcing things. I have been through various forms of it a few times and never had problems getting permission.

I can understand both points of view, but I imagine from Google's standpoint: they do an incredibly large number of things, "working hours" are often a pretty nebulous concept in the world of software development, and simple accidental leaks could lead to bad litigation situations or critical IP leakage.

Re:IBM to Kernel Maintainer: “You Are an IBM Employee 100% o... by Communitivity on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @10:48AM (#26875430)
'I own everything you create' is intellectual slavery, plain and simple. It is nowhere near as bad as full slavery like before the U.S. civil war, but it is slavery of the mind none the less. Saying that in some cases your master may be willing to let you take credit for what you created on your own time and share it, this frames it as a gift that you may be given if you are deemed worthy enough and it does not hinder the company's interests. Think about that - you are being something you created as a gift, and there is no guarantee that you'll be given it, and you won't know until you create it and submit the request.

I suspect all the FAANG companies do this, because they are big enough to get away with it and the cachet of having them on your resume is impressive enough convinces some that it's worth it.

Re:IBM to Kernel Maintainer: “You Are an IBM Employee 100% o... by BTCOG on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @11:25AM (#26875937)
Feudalism.
Re:IBM to Kernel Maintainer: “You Are an IBM Employee 100% o... by temikus on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @06:08AM (#26887503)
It’s not reasonable by any means - you either assign all rights to google or assign all rights except copyright to google.

Their process is public actually, you can take a look: https://opensource.google/docs/releasing/

Re:IBM to Kernel Maintainer: “You Are an IBM Employee 100% o... by duckfang on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @09:36AM (#26874453)
> It's true but they also have a reasonable set of processes for open sourcing things.

So its "mother may I?" for the 'privilege' of working for such a shit company?

For a company to claim ownership of everything I do when not working is called indentured servitude or slavery.

Re:IBM to Kernel Maintainer: “You Are an IBM Employee 100% o... by mondoshawan on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @10:18AM (#26875003)
No, realistically, it is called exempt salary works for hire, and there are legal limits to it. No salaried job has "set hours".

The limits you can work with are: working on your own equipment, non-working hours, working on it at home in an area not typically used for $dayjob, the subject of the work, and above all else your locality. These agreements are generally overreaches by the lawyers drafting them, depending on the nature of the job. Remember: no contract can limit rights granted to you under the law, every contract has limits, and you cannot be prevented from working, even if stated otherwise.

Washington, for instance, has state laws against this kind of IP assignment.

IANAL, so don't read into this too much, but I have consulted IP attorneys about this. If you're doing something like this, definitely consult -- the kind of work you do does matter. In this guy's case, it seems he does have a conflict of interest w.r.t. the work he does for IBM.

Re:IBM to Kernel Maintainer: “You Are an IBM Employee 100% o... by Communitivity on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @10:50AM (#26875459)
Many consultancies do, as you have billable hours and even your non-billable hours have to be accounted for. These are your hours on company time.
Re:IBM to Kernel Maintainer: “You Are an IBM Employee 100% o... by mondoshawan on Saturday April 24, 2021 @12:49PM (#26926294)
We weren't talking about contracting or consultancies...
Re:IBM to Kernel Maintainer: “You Are an IBM Employee 100% o... by cmrdporcupine on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @09:49AM (#26874610)
I came to the conclusion early on that that is the nature of capitalist work generally, so pick your poison. I don't agree with the whole system, but also don't think this employer is worse than most others on that front. It's just formulated in a legal clause where other employers might just litigate later if they needed to.

I get paid well, and have never had a problem -- or seen others have problems -- open sourcing things where it made sense; including things that I worked on at work during work hours such as abandoned/cancelled projects or things that made sense for the community to have access to.

EDIT: also your tone sucks, this is HN not reddit.