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Re:Home ownership is the West’s biggest economic-policy mistake by WalterBright on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @04:30AM (#26872140)
> Speculation tends to increase volatility.

Speculators make money off of prices deviating from the norm (i.e. volatility) and every time they make money off of a price difference, it pushes that price back to the norm. I.e. it decreases volatility.

The fact that speculators are attracted to volatility is an effect of volatility, not a cause.

Re:Home ownership is the West’s biggest economic-policy mistake by Nursie on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @05:48AM (#26872596)
This ignores everything about supply/demand and market bubbles.
Re:Home ownership is the West’s biggest economic-policy mistake by WalterBright on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @03:59PM (#26880678)
Not at all. Bubbles are only obvious in hindsight. If somehow you are prescient enough to recognize them reliably in advance, you can make yourself a cool billion easy.
Re:Home ownership is the West’s biggest economic-policy mistake by Nursie on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @05:20PM (#26881869)
This still ignores that speculation can contribute to them, and can move the market. It's is not a rebuttal or an explanationa.
Re:Home ownership is the West’s biggest economic-policy mistake by WalterBright on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @10:41PM (#26884838)
If speculators realize there's a bubble, they'll short it and thereby make money when it collapses.

Shorting a bubble moderates its price rise.

Re:Home ownership is the West’s biggest economic-policy mistake by Nursie on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @04:57AM (#26886993)
And if they don't realise there's a bubble, but continue to add 'buy' side pressure?

Speculators are part of the market, not observers, and they absolutely contribute to rising prices, not just price discovery, because they add demand.

Re:Home ownership is the West’s biggest economic-policy mistake by WalterBright on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @05:33AM (#26887259)
> they absolutely contribute to rising prices ... because they add demand

Speculators buy and sell, in equal measure. That's what makes them speculators. It's a net zero.

If they bought and held, they'd be investors.

Re:Home ownership is the West’s biggest economic-policy mistake by Nursie on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @06:05AM (#26887478)
Helping to push up prices as they do so, attracting more speculators. That's not a net zero.

They also hold what are limited resources for a non-zero amount of time, reducing supply in aggregate. More speculators, more supply constraint.

This is not some sort of idealised marketplace where people can dip in and out without any effect.

Re:Home ownership is the West’s biggest economic-policy mistake by WalterBright on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @04:15PM (#26894856)
You're missing that they short things they believe are overvalued, like in bubbles.

> This is not some sort of idealised marketplace where people can dip in and out without any effect.

You're right. Speculators work to decrease the peak of a bubble and increase the value of a dip.

The misapprehension is thinking the effect is only one way.

Re:Home ownership is the West’s biggest economic-policy mistake by Nursie on Monday April 26, 2021 @10:24AM (#26942811)
> You're missing that they short things they believe are overvalued

In the housing market? LOL.

> Speculators work to decrease the peak of a bubble and increase the value of a dip.

Except that's nonsense, they increase the demand on an already massively in-demand resource, accelerating price rises.

Your ideas fly in the face of observable reality.