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Re:No one was in driver’s seat in fatal Tesla crash by Alupis on Monday April 19, 2021 @04:18PM (#26867498)
> At least on my Model 3, the manual override is a literal handle that is easy enough to use

That's if you're conscious.

After an accident strong enough for the batteries to burst into flames, the manual override being on the inside of the car seems dubious.

Plus, as others have mentioned, it's very likely the same accident has wedged body panels together making opening of the door impossible, despite the manual override.

Re:No one was in driver’s seat in fatal Tesla crash by dv_dt on Monday April 19, 2021 @04:51PM (#26867844)
The potential for body panels wedging a door close after an accident is pretty much a universal automotive problem, no matter what the latch release mechanisms are. (though I'm sure some latch designs might independently be more or less likely to get stuck).
Re:No one was in driver’s seat in fatal Tesla crash by Alupis on Monday April 19, 2021 @05:52PM (#26868343)
The problem here, is most cars don't spontaneously burst into flames upon impact... making getting out of the car in a real hurry non-necessary.
Re:No one was in driver’s seat in fatal Tesla crash by dv_dt on Monday April 19, 2021 @06:16PM (#26868503)
Most cars don't, but gas and electric cars both occasionally do so. I would guess that the rate of cars catching fire after an accident is actually higher for gas cars.

If one wants a more guaranteed way out - I advise buying a safety hammer for your car. They have a pointed impact head to shatter safety glass, as well as a belt cutter in case your seat belt is jammed.

Re:No one was in driver’s seat in fatal Tesla crash by dragontamer on Monday April 19, 2021 @06:21PM (#26868534)
There are still fewer than 2-million Teslas in existence.

And the Ford Pinto (yes, the Pinto. The "exploding car" that was the subject of "Fight Club" the movie) had 27 fire-related deaths around the 2.2-million car sold.

The number of Tesla-fires is quickly approaching Ford Pinto levels. (Mostly because the Ford Pinto fires were overblown: as a subject matter in a popular movie and pop culture, they really weren't much more explosive than other cars)

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Furthermore: the explosions of Tesla vehicles are requiring far more care. There needed to be over 20,000+ gallons of water over four hours to douse the flames in this very crash.

Only electric vehicles have that kind of sustained, multi-hour fire problem. Fire departments know full well how to put out a regular gasoline fire. But Li-Ion is kind of dangerous tech.

Re:No one was in driver’s seat in fatal Tesla crash by dv_dt on Monday April 19, 2021 @09:13PM (#26869703)
Gas cars and trucks can have multi hour accidents too. Here’s a seven hour accident.

https://www.wcax.com/2021/03/03/car-fire-closes-part-of-i-93...

Last time the stats were visited on this a couple of years ago it seems has cars catch fire about 10x more than electric cars.

Re:No one was in driver’s seat in fatal Tesla crash by Alupis on Monday April 19, 2021 @10:27PM (#26870082)
There's a big difference between neglecting maintenance on a vehicle until it overheats enough to catch fire, and a vehicle which bursts into flames regularly upon impact while people are trapped inside.

We get you like Tesla... but that doesn't excuse being deliberately obtuse. You cannot hand wave away these people that were stuck inside a fire bomb of a vehicle which required about 20 fire trucks worth of water[1] to extinguish the flames... For what should have been a routine accident response. The people inside, if still alive, had no chance of survival. That's really bad...

[1] https://www.solonohio.org/203/Fire-Trucks#:~:text=Contempora....

Re:No one was in driver’s seat in fatal Tesla crash by dv_dt on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @11:49AM (#26876254)
Looking at the quantitative picture and thinking systematically is trying to be obtuse? I would also think about gas tanker fires and the systematic reduction of those on the types of vehicles on the road with more electric vehicles.

Many gas automotive fires don't have to do with maintenance either - that seems like a really odd assumption.

Re:No one was in driver’s seat in fatal Tesla crash by Alupis on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @02:02PM (#26878258)
Do you have any evidence to backup your assertions?

You stated upthread that you'd guess gasoline fueled vehicles catch fire more frequently than EV vehicles... you're going to need evidence to backup such an outlandish claim, and the cause of the fire would also need to be an accident such as the one this Tesla was involved in.

It's actually quite difficult to ignite gasoline in liquid form (which is what is in the fuel lines and fuel tank of an automobile). It must be a vapor, and it must be in the presence of an ignition source. ICE vehicles have been designed over the last 100 years to precisely not explode upon impact.

Real life isn't hollywood... cars just don't explode because of an accident... you can even shoot a full gas tank with a high caliber rifle and it'll still not explode nor catch fire. The problem you are equating to vehicles just does not exist anywhere except electronic vehicles powered by these Lithium-Ion batteries... like what is found in your average Tesla.

Re:No one was in driver’s seat in fatal Tesla crash by dv_dt on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @03:53PM (#26880557)
https://www.nfpa.org/-/media/Files/News-and-Research/Fire-st...

From the report:

"Vehicle fires accounted for 16 percent of the 1.3 million fires reported to US fire departments. Vehicle fires also caused 15 percentof all civilian fire deaths and 10 percent of all reported civilian fire injuries. In 2018, only fires in one- and two- family homes claimed more lives than vehicle fires. Vehicle fires caused 4.5 times the number of deaths as nonresidential structure fires and 1.6 times the number of apartment fire deaths."

Re:No one was in driver’s seat in fatal Tesla crash by Alupis on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @07:19PM (#26883291)
From your own source:

> The leading causes of vehicle fires were mechanical failures or malfunctions and electrical failures or malfunctions. Older vehicles accounted for three-quarters of the highway vehicle fires caused by mechanical or electrical failures or malfunctions. Maintenance is important throughout the vehicle’s years of use.

So... no... not from accidents, but from maintenance neglect (as I already said). Not even remotely similar.

These Tesla's burst into flames upon impact, trapping the occupants inside and dooming them to death.

From your own source again:

> EV fires can occur:

> 1. When a vehicle is stationary. Extreme temperatures, high humidity, internal cell failure, and abuse of a LIB at some prior time can all cause such fires.

> 2. When the EV is charging due to overcharging or problems with the charging stations or cables.

> 3. After a traffic crash or other abuse does sufficient damage to cause ignition during or immediately after the crash.

> 4. When an LIB reignites after an initial fire has been handled.

> 5. Due to external factors, such as arson

So... what is the point you are trying to make here?

Re:No one was in driver’s seat in fatal Tesla crash by dv_dt on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @08:40PM (#26883966)
> Collisions were the leading cause of vehicle fires that resulted in death.

The very next sentence after your first selected quote.

You are picking an choosing data due to some very obvious bias. I don't think we can continue a productive conversation here. Bye.