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Re:SmartFarm device to harvest air moisture for self-sustain... by throwaway894345 on Monday April 19, 2021 @12:56PM (#26865013)
I'm not an expert by any means, but your comment reminds me of various nature documentaries in which desert species in certain locales would collect dew in the morning before it evaporates. Conceivably at least in such places it suggests that there is ample moisture in the air, and indeed if nature can get it out of the air then likely we could too. Conceivably an array of metal funnels leading to a bottle or tank (underground or otherwise protected from evaporation) could naturally harvest the moisture in such areas, even without a special hydrogel.

> huge amounts of energy

Condensation doesn't require energy. The energy mentioned in the article seems to be releasing the water from the hydrogel, but in my off-the-top-of-the-head metal funnel example a sufficiently steep big metal funnel can collect the water without any mechanical energy at all.

> Any such scheme isn't reliable in any case, and especially unreliable when things are dry and you really need the water. It works best precisely when you don't need it.

Water is stored easily enough, as long as you keep a surplus on hand for dry spells I don't see the problem?

EDIT: I am curious why my post is being downvoted. This doesn't seem particularly controversial.

Re:SmartFarm device to harvest air moisture for self-sustain... by dale_glass on Monday April 19, 2021 @01:51PM (#26865872)
Condensation requires energy input, or a considerable change in temperature.

Hot air can hold a lot of moisture, cold air can hold less. Water condenses on surfaces when the air cools down to the point that air would have to carry more water than it can at the new temperature.

Problem with that: it only works great in very humid areas. If you're in a desert, and have 10% humidity, you have to cool down your air by a lot for it to become too saturated and condensation to happen. Not enough cooling, and the moisture stays in the air.

Re:SmartFarm device to harvest air moisture for self-sustain... by outworlder on Monday April 19, 2021 @02:32PM (#26866365)
> If you're in a desert, and have 10% humidity, you have to cool down your air by a lot for it to become too saturated and condensation to happen.

Deserts tend to have pretty wild temperature swings. They usually cool down at night. So much so that in most cases you can make ice. You can use the sky as a heat sink (effectively radiating heat into space).

https://www.fieldstudyoftheworld.com/persian-ice-house-how-m...

Re:SmartFarm device to harvest air moisture for self-sustain... by throwaway894345 on Monday April 19, 2021 @03:09PM (#26866752)
Thanks for the detailed information; that was genuinely informative, but I'm starting from the assumption that the required temperature swings must be present in at least some desert ecosystems as evidenced by the aforementioned documentaries. As the sibling noted, many deserts cool down quite a lot in the evenings.