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Re:India may build new coal plants due to low cost despite c... by madaxe_again on Monday April 19, 2021 @02:46AM (#26859746)
As a young person, who will have their health care and conditions negatively impacted by the economic and humanitarian disaster of climate change, I can blame them.

They are prioritising older voters over younger ones.

This tactic ends with a gerontocracy and ultimately no more humans.

Re:India may build new coal plants due to low cost despite c... by qart on Monday April 19, 2021 @03:19AM (#26859915)
Which country do you live in? What is your average yearly per-capita CO₂ and CH₄?

Anyway, I welcome you to India. Stay here for a few years. Live through peak summers with power-cuts due to load shedding. And then repeat your message.

Re:India may build new coal plants due to low cost despite c... by madaxe_again on Monday April 19, 2021 @05:21AM (#26860657)
I live off grid in Portugal. My power comes from solar, wind and hydro, and I retrofitted our ancient hilux to be fully electric, charged here off our renewables. We grow 95% of our own food, the rest comes from less than 10km away, heat in the winter from the hydro, and make do and mend whenever possible, while reforesting degraded agricultural land with mixed native species. I haven’t been more than 20km from here in nearly two years. None of this is a sacrifice - it’s a pleasure beyond measure to be here doing this.

I recognise that this is currently a privileged position - the upfront costs aren’t insignificant - it has cost us about €100k to achieve this degree of low-impact living - but it doesn’t have to be that way.

It’s perfectly possible to direct investment in a direction other than massive centralised and industrialised growth, which incurs the problems you describe, and simultaneously provide a better quality of life for the majority. You could subsidise rooftop solar, or local hydroelectric projects, or passive cooling systems, or subsidise people to nurture nature, and both provide energy and cut energy consumption in one fell swoop. India has the opportunity to make good decisions, rather than becoming burdened by what seem like good decisions now, but are bad decisions in the long term. It’s a shame to see that opportunity squandered.

Re:India may build new coal plants due to low cost despite c... by KabirKwatra on Monday April 19, 2021 @05:41AM (#26860796)
I always thought we just had shitty transformers that would constantly blow up.
Re:India may build new coal plants due to low cost despite c... by qart on Monday April 19, 2021 @06:06AM (#26860970)
Nope. Those are local problems, like when your road doesn't have power, but the next road does. Load shedding is announced days in advance and publicized in newspapers.
Re:India may build new coal plants due to low cost despite c... by adrianN on Monday April 19, 2021 @03:48AM (#26860080)
You're saying that as if there are no alternatives to coal. India could build solar panels or nuclear power instead.
Re:India may build new coal plants due to low cost despite c... by qart on Monday April 19, 2021 @03:59AM (#26860140)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_photovoltaic_power_sta...

India is already building plenty of solar parks. We still need a lot more power.

Re:India may build new coal plants due to low cost despite c... by adrianN on Monday April 19, 2021 @04:05AM (#26860158)
Then build even more?
Re:India may build new coal plants due to low cost despite c... by qart on Monday April 19, 2021 @04:10AM (#26860193)
> "While India is committed to add more capacity through non-fossil sources of generation, coal-based generation capacity may still be required to be added in the country as it continues to be the cheapest source of generation," the NEP draft read.

I don't want to wear a hair shirt while people in other countries wear the finest silks.

Re:India may build new coal plants due to low cost despite c... by adrianN on Monday April 19, 2021 @04:29AM (#26860293)
India is going to be hit really hard by climate change too. Coal is only the cheapest option if you don't count the costs of climate change.
Re:India may build new coal plants due to low cost despite c... by qart on Monday April 19, 2021 @04:40AM (#26860339)
Yes, India is going to be hit really hard by climate change too. So please reduce your own CO₂ and CH₄ contributions. Indians are not the problem here. You are welcome to talk about India as a problem once your own per capita contributions are in the same ballpark as that of Indians.
Re:India may build new coal plants due to low cost despite c... by adrianN on Monday April 19, 2021 @05:12AM (#26860600)
Every ton of carbon is part of the problem. The climate doesn't care where it's emitted.
Re:India may build new coal plants due to low cost despite c... by qart on Monday April 19, 2021 @05:54AM (#26860888)
Good, so I invite you and your countrymen to spend a few years in India, and live like the average Indian. Take back the lessons to your own country. Hopefully, we can conquer this climate change problem together. If you don't like India, that's fine too. There are many other countries with low greenhouse gas lifestyles.
Re:India may build new coal plants due to low cost despite c... by imtringued on Monday April 19, 2021 @05:54AM (#26860887)
We will, and we will leave you in the dust with our superior energy infrastructure.
Re:India may build new coal plants due to low cost despite c... by Xplune13 on Monday April 19, 2021 @06:13AM (#26861003)
These kind of comments just make me laugh. I hope someday you'll get off of your high-horse and would see the world as it is and not from your already privileged position. It's for your own good at the end. Till then good luck decreasing your per capita emissions.
Re:India may build new coal plants due to low cost despite c... by LifeIsThermal on Monday April 19, 2021 @02:54AM (#26859789)
That´s doomsday rhetoric. All doomsday cults have one thing in common, they´ve all been wrong. 100%. The climate doomsday cult is no different.
Re:India may build new coal plants due to low cost despite c... by adrianN on Monday April 19, 2021 @03:47AM (#26860072)
Most previous doomsday cults had the handicap of having little to do with reality, whereas climate change is real and the predictions are getting scarier as we learn more about the climate system.
Re:India may build new coal plants due to low cost despite c... by mdrabla on Monday April 19, 2021 @04:41PM (#26867727)
you should know that "doomsday rhetoric" is backed by very solid climate science. Just check out the latest IPCC report if you dont believe me - we aren't going to make it below 2 degrees C warming and the implications of that alone are catastrophic. Just as an example, we're looking at hundreds of millions of climate refugees as things like drought and lower crop yields destabilize large regions. Even if you live in a country which avoids these types of trends, the refugees created can and will offer a massively destabilizing force to your home country. For reference, the Syrian refugee crisis was triggered by a record drought (which are becoming the new trend) and that created 1 million refugees. Just 1 million dramatically altered the course of domestic & international politics in the EU, imagine what HUNDREDS of millions will do.

Climate change is THE existential threat of our generation. The only ones which will benefit long term from avoiding the problem are those with a vested interest in fossil fuel companies.