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Re:Two people killed in fiery Tesla crash with no one driving by rchaud on Sunday April 18, 2021 @07:48PM (#26857731)
This is the conversation that needs to be had. Re-allocation of city resources towards non-violent, non-militarized civil society groups. Unfortunately, in our soundbite driven world, we got "Defund the police", which kills the conversation dead.
Re:Two people killed in fiery Tesla crash with no one driving by Spooky23 on Sunday April 18, 2021 @08:52PM (#26858117)
Fire service is a divided/conquered profession.

The paid fire and ems people hate the volunteer departments, the fire-only departments turn their nose down at EMS, and the police are good at swooping in and taking over stuff like paramedics.

Volunteer departments are often big political power bases too. In some states, that results in volunteer departments getting lavish firehouses and fancy gear. I live next door to a city firehouse, their “new” pumper is an 8 year old, $800k (new) truck that saw 70-80 calls a month. It’s new owner doubled the mileage in 90 days.

Re:Two people killed in fiery Tesla crash with no one driving by klmadfejno on Sunday April 18, 2021 @10:02PM (#26858488)
> I live next door to a city firehouse, their “new” pumper is an 8 year old, $800k (new) truck that saw 70-80 calls a month. It’s new owner doubled the mileage in 90 days.

What does this mean to imply? They bought an old truck, gently used, and then used it a lot more...

Is the new mileage because they need to use it? Is that bad? Is 800k a lot for a fire truck?

Re:Two people killed in fiery Tesla crash with no one driving by mlyle on Sunday April 18, 2021 @11:16PM (#26858806)
I believe they're implying that a volunteer department had a very high end truck and didn't really use it much, and it was later inherited by a non-volunteer department.
Re:Two people killed in fiery Tesla crash with no one driving by throwaway0a5e on Sunday April 18, 2021 @09:38PM (#26858369)
The dysfunction and stupidity is only bounded by the populace's tolerance for it and money to indulge in it.

Poor cities and rural counties might have underfunded services but they don't generally have the dysfunction you're describing because the money to support the dysfunction simply isn't there.

Re:Two people killed in fiery Tesla crash with no one driving by SamBam on Sunday April 18, 2021 @08:10PM (#26857855)
And which should never have been misunderstood.

When we say "Governor X defunded public schools," no one takes that to mean that they removed every single penny from the schools.

Re:Two people killed in fiery Tesla crash with no one driving by alentist on Sunday April 18, 2021 @08:20PM (#26857919)
Re:Two people killed in fiery Tesla crash with no one driving by totalZero on Sunday April 18, 2021 @08:55PM (#26858135)
Some opinion article from a social justice warrior doesn't indicate that the vast majority of people who say "defend the police" are not saying "abolish the police." That kind of black and white thinking undermines the conversation.
Re:Two people killed in fiery Tesla crash with no one driving by alentist on Sunday April 18, 2021 @09:00PM (#26858162)
What really undermines the conversation is twisting the meaning of words, saying what you (supposedly) don’t really mean, and then blaming people for interpreting them correctly.

Here are more examples:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/how-i-beca...

https://thetyee.ca/Culture/2021/02/12/We-Actually-Mean-Aboli...

https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2020/08/the-abolition-mov...

Re:Two people killed in fiery Tesla crash with no one driving by SamBam on Sunday April 18, 2021 @10:59PM (#26858728)
Again, if you're actively searching for abolitionists, you can find them, but the vast majority of the use of the term, from a count of the first 20 articles on any search engine of "What does defund the police mean," means reduce funding.

And, indeed, your first article actually uses the term exactly as we're using it.

While the author is arguing for abolition, and the first and only time she uses the word "defund" it is to say

> Defunding the police is one step on a broad stairway toward abolition. Cities can reduce the size and scope of police...

Re:Two people killed in fiery Tesla crash with no one driving by paulv on Sunday April 18, 2021 @09:46PM (#26858416)
Likewise using that pejorative.
Re:Two people killed in fiery Tesla crash with no one driving by triceratops on Sunday April 18, 2021 @11:00PM (#26858739)
Serious question: how do you interpret "Starve the beast"?[1]

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast

Re:Two people killed in fiery Tesla crash with no one driving by SamBam on Sunday April 18, 2021 @08:59PM (#26858154)
The author does not speak for the Black Lives Matter movement, nor for the vast majority of people who use that phrase. The use of "we" in the title is egoising.

A quick search of "what does 'Defund the Police' mean" will find that the vast majority of proponents, and of articles written about them in almost all newspapers and magazines, interpret it as reducing the budget of the police and redirecting that budget into non-violent community aid.

Re:Two people killed in fiery Tesla crash with no one driving by alentist on Sunday April 18, 2021 @09:04PM (#26858186)
Re:Two people killed in fiery Tesla crash with no one driving by bellyfullofbac on Monday April 19, 2021 @10:07AM (#26862897)
Even Obama didn't like it: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/02/barack-obama...

Above article refers to this long interview: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/12/obama-urges-activist...

And I agree with him, if you have to add ", and by this phrase I mean a b c d e f" or "please search the Internet and click a good URL (not Breitbart, but also not Mariame Kaba) to see what we mean by this phrase", do you think people wouldn't just think you're an extremist after the snappy phrase and stop listening?

The self-sabotage (and then people like you defending the phrase) is so mind-boggingly dumb. Do you want change, or do you want to alienate people?

But eh, on the topic of alienating people, I've seen enough "online activists" snap at supporting voices that I thought "I wouldn't be surprised if that supporter stopped sympathizing with them.". Then you have supporters turn to quiet "Fuck it, I'll just shut my mouth" or worse, be opponents.