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Re:Debian votes to make no statement regarding RMS readmissi... by zamalek on Sunday April 18, 2021 @12:03PM (#26853598)
He continues to do intolerant stuff: https://rms-open-letter.github.io/appendix
Re:Debian votes to make no statement regarding RMS readmissi... by gerhardhaering on Sunday April 18, 2021 @12:35PM (#26853915)
I fail to see how any of this is intolerant, or transphobic. You might not like these opinions. Or disagree that there is good reasoning behind some of this. This does not make the one you are disagreeing with intolerant.
Re:Debian votes to make no statement regarding RMS readmissi... by zajio1am on Sunday April 18, 2021 @12:49PM (#26854050)
> I fail to see how any of this is intolerant, or transphobic.

Yes. RMS argued for gender-neutral pronouns since more than twenty years ago. Just because it is a different set of neutral pronouns than is popular today, some people mark him transphobic. That is absurd.

Re:Debian votes to make no statement regarding RMS readmissi... by fsf4lyfe on Sunday April 18, 2021 @01:10PM (#26854270)
Indeed, and it's no surprise that this attempted cancellation of RMS is being pushed by the pronoun enthusiast crowd. These tend to be the type of people who simply can't stand any dissenting opinions to their dogma.

Unfortunately, the more tolerant attitude of just agreeing to disagree seems to have gone out of fashion. Now the preferred option is to destroy a person's entire career and slander their reputation with deliberate misinterpretations of what they've said and done.

Re:Debian votes to make no statement regarding RMS readmissi... by solosoyokaze on Monday April 19, 2021 @09:36AM (#26862585)
It’s not slander if it’s true, and you can be disgusted with RMS without bringing politics into it. He’s bad for the free software movement. It’s as simple as that.
Re:Debian votes to make no statement regarding RMS readmissi... by zamalek on Monday April 19, 2021 @11:28AM (#26863818)
If there wasn't a wide spectrum of opinions on this then you'd be objectively correct. As it stands, the zeitgeist is undecided.
Re:Debian votes to make no statement regarding RMS readmissi... by refenestrator on Sunday April 18, 2021 @12:41PM (#26853984)
It's really funny that these people are incorporating pro-life arguments now. Cultural horseshoe theory.
Re:Debian votes to make no statement regarding RMS readmissi... by visarga on Sunday April 18, 2021 @12:17PM (#26853740)
is this the "we don't tolerate intolerance" logic?
Re:Debian votes to make no statement regarding RMS readmissi... by toomim on Sunday April 18, 2021 @12:33PM (#26853901)
You sound very intolerant of said "intolerance".
Re:Debian votes to make no statement regarding RMS readmissi... by krastanov on Sunday April 18, 2021 @12:49PM (#26854048)
I am not certain whether you are making a very erudite joke or trolling, but either way, the "Paradox of Intolerance" might an interesting read https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Being "intolerant to intolerance" is a fairly well accepted idea in societies that value personal freedoms.

Re:Debian votes to make no statement regarding RMS readmissi... by toomim on Sunday April 18, 2021 @03:53PM (#26855741)
I'm aware of the paradox, and it's a wonderful idea!

It still looks to me that in this case, it's the people calling RMS intolerant that are the intolerant ones. On the contrary, I think RMS actually tolerates a whole lot. He clearly has different views than others on a variety of topics, yet he doesn't let it affect his technical decisions. He's been attacked viciously in the media, but he's tolerated it and is coming back to the FSF. An intolerant person would disappear. Consider all the people on the board of the FSF with opposite political views than his, that he tolerates on a day-to-day basis. An "intolerant homophobe/transphobe" would not tolerate having homosexuals/transexuals on the board, for instance.

Re:Debian votes to make no statement regarding RMS readmissi... by krastanov on Sunday April 18, 2021 @03:56PM (#26855764)
Ah, yes, I am mostly on board with the specifics of what you said in this message, even if I disagree with some of the generalizations. The original one lacked too much context for me to understand it.
Re:Debian votes to make no statement regarding RMS readmissi... by hglp on Sunday April 18, 2021 @02:09PM (#26854827)
Popper would have been disgusted by the treatment of RMS and cancel culture in general.

He'd also have been disgusted by being used in a propagandistic manner.