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Re:US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine by disabled on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @07:00PM (#26800583)
It's not just a "blood clot" or some "rare type of blood clot".

This was what I posted in this post about the European Medicines Agency acknowledging the AstraZeneca vaccine (which I was inoculated with) was linked to something never seen before: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26725232

> "Zero surprises here. Both Norwegian and German research teams identified the /actual specific novel antibody/ that causes this /new previously unclassified syndrome/ that was effectively unheard of before the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine existed. Also, both teams are phenomenally talented for identifying this antibody so quickly. Usually it is on “finding a needle in a haystack” level difficulty. BTW, I am probably going to get downvoted but I am definitely not an antivaxxer and I received the AZ vaccine as innoculation for COVID-19."

Re:US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine by _rs on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @11:07PM (#26802501)
Do you have any resources to read more about the research teams and their findings? Most of the articles I'm reading are very hand-wavy about the specifics/science and I'd love to actually learn more about the cause and condition.
Re:US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine by idlewan on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @03:31AM (#26804071)
This one is about how they found out the link for the AstraZeneca vaccine: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/13/how-uk-docto...
Re:US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine by disabled on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @12:25AM (#26802933)
The Los Angeles Times wrote an excellent article about the Johnson & Johnson (J&J) vaccine situation, in layman's terms [1]. However, journalists need to stop calling it "blood clots" or "rare blood clots", and instead call it a "rare clotting syndrome" that is "novel (new) and previously unclassified". For the AstraZeneca (AZ) vaccine situation, there has also been other good journalism sources here [2][3]. Pay attention to the subsection on [3] stating "Nothing but the vaccine can explain why".

In both cases, the situation is clinically similar to Heparin-induced thrombocytopenia (HIT), although there are very distinct differences. It should not be used as a comparison.

This is a good peer-reviewed journal article on diagnosis and management [4]. This is another article describing the syndrome [5].

I should emphasize that the treatment that is used for this specific syndrome is extremely expensive: intravenous immunoglobulin. I personally take the same medication (immunoglobulin) subcutaneously (under-the-skin) twice per week, for 2 rare immune-mediated neurological diseases affecting my peripheral nervous system. I will require this medication for life. When I lived in the USA (I live in Croatia now), my medical insurance was paying $278,000/year for the medication, under contract. I am not talking about how much the medication was being billed for, which was way higher. So, you heard me right, my insurance paid $278,000/year for this type of medication.

[1] Here’s what we know about J&J’s vaccine and rare blood clots: https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2021-04-13/what-we-kno...

[2] ‘It’s a very special picture.’ Why vaccine safety experts put the brakes on AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/03/it-s-very-special-pi...

[3] Norwegian experts say deadly blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca covid vaccine: https://sciencenorway.no/covid19/norwegian-experts-say-deadl...

[4] Diagnosis and Management of Vaccine-RelatedThrombosis following AstraZeneca COVID-19Vaccination: Guidance Statement from the GTH: https://zlmsg.ch/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/2021_Diagnosis-a...

[5] A Prothrombotic Thrombocytopenic Disorder Resembling Heparin-Induced Thrombocytopenia Following Coronavirus-19 Vaccination: https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-362354/v1

Re:US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine by wikibob on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @12:44AM (#26803027)
Can you share some experiences with healthcare and the healthcare payment system in Croatia?

I think we would all be fascinated to hear first hand accounts from someone who's also experienced the abysmal US system.

What does your immunoglobulin cost in Croatia?

Re:US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine by disabled on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @12:52AM (#26803060)
Sorry, but this is not relevant to this discussion. I refuse to flood this extremely long thread with details that are not relevant to the readers clicking on this thread. Please see my profile and email me instead, for specific answers.
Re:US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine by antman on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @02:18AM (#26803566)
Just how much it costs mow would probably not be considered flooding though and its probably more informational
Re:US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine by mantap on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @06:14AM (#26805048)
It is relevant to the discussion because the AZ and JJ vaccines are for the "rest of the world", so comparative differences in the cost of IG between US and other healthcare systems is relevant.
Re:US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine by tomca32 on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @02:18PM (#26810950)
I'm not the original poster but I'm from Croatia. I've been living in the US for around 10 years now and have a chronic illness that required constant management: Type 1 Diabetes.

I also have a separate issue, Pectus Excavatum, a chest deformity that required me to undertake a fairly difficult surgery called the Nuss Procedure.

I think these two examples do a good job at demonstrating differences between Croatian an US healthcare payment systems. They are very different medical problems.

Diabetes is a chronic illness that requires constant management. I need to inject insulin multiple times a day and require other supplies such as sugar sensors, lancets, needles, and glucose strips. I have a brother who still lives in Croatia and also has Diabetes Type 1. Our treatment plans are almost identical. We take the same medications and need the same supplies.

Managing Diabetes in the US is fairly annoying and expensive. I'm lucky to work in tech which provides me with good pay and insurance but even then my expenses can go up to $200/mo. It is also difficult, sometimes impossible, to get insurance authorization for better insulins that are widely available in Europe. I am on Humalog, or sometimes Novolog, similar insulins but insurance companies only cover a single one, so you have to switch when you change insurances. Newer insulins such as Fiasp, Apidra, or Tresiba, which are newer, quicker to work, and overall "better" are almost impossible to get in the US. I tried multiple times and the insurance never gave me the authorization to use them.

My brother lives in Zagreb, Croatia. He's been a diabetic all of his life. He's using newer insulins such as Fiasp and Tresiba and he doesn't pay anything for them. Literally 0. It's completely covered by the National Insurance. Same goes for all of the supplies like strips and needles, and glucose sensors (which can be pretty expensive in the US). In total he pays $0.00 on diabetes management.

In addition, Diabetes education is terrible in the US. Doctors here will usually tell me that I can eat whatever I want as long as I cover it with enough insulin. This is just awful advice since people are not computers and will never calculate the correct dosage of insulin they need to cover every meal; resulting in bad sugar management and complications that come with it: blindness, limb amputation, and eventually death.

The ONLY way to properly manage diabetes is to be very careful about eating carbs. Not necessarily eliminate them, but come as close to it as possible. This is the way diabetes education works in Croatia. Fix the diet and then use insulin to fix what you can't fix with diet. The result is way better sugar management, and way cheaper treatments. Just the other week I had my checkup here in the US and the doctor told me my blood sugars are "too LOW for a diabetic" (my A1c was 5.9% - still higher than the normal 5.5% for a healthy person). I should change my diet and eat more carbs to raise it up. This is just awful, awful advice and I'm sure it's the result of generally terrible diet in the US.

So overall, healthcare treatment and payment for a chronic illness like Diabetes is just immeasurably better in Croatia. It's not even a contest.

Now, on the other hand.

Pectus Excavatum is a bone deformity. In some cases it's small enough to not present any problems but if it's fairly severe it can cause a lot of cardiovascular issues. Nuss procedure involves implanting multiple steel bars (3 in my case) behind the chest wall in order to force the chest bone out. The bars stay in the body for 3 years and are then removed. Surgery is usually successful and after the bars are removed you are considered "cured". There is nothing more to manage and the rate of complications is very low.

This surgery is complicated. It's most often done on children because it becomes much more difficult to perform it in adults. Video if interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8SrRzJqbJ8

As an adult, it's almost impossible to get the surgery performed in Europe. I know there's a center in Italy, and another Netherlands that do perform it, but their rate of success is not great. I've seen a lot of people complain about the results. The place to do it is the United States. Mayo Clinic in Arizona has the absolute world expert on Nuss Procedure and she does surgeries on adult of up to 40ish years of age (I got in at 37, last chance). Her work is absolutely phenomenal and people from all over the world travel to Arizona to do it there. There are also hospitals in Missouri I think and in New Jersey that do it, but I'm less familiar with them.

Now given that there are only a handful of places in the world that perform this surgery on adults, you'd think that the cost of this procedure would be astronomical. In total I paid around $2000 out of pocket. Without insurance it costs around $30k, plus $10k or so for the hospital bed (oh US). Don't get me wrong, it's not cheap, but for something of such difficulty and expertise I expected it to be way more expensive. It's literally impossible to get in most of the world other than the US and it costs less than the price of diabetes supplies for 1 year.

So there you have it. In my opinion the US system is absolutely awful for managing chronic conditions. It's made to exploit you for as much money as possible and even give you bad medical advice that makes sure you're going to need those expensive supplies. On the other hand, the most difficult procedures in the world are sometimes only available in the US, and the price of those is not nearly as high as you'd expect it to be. It's great for acute treatable conditions, and absolutely awful for chronic conditions that require constant management.

Re:US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine by disabled on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @07:00PM (#26814175)
I’m the OP. I hope you become a US citizen just in case you need it (not just holding a green card). I agree with your assessment. I also have T1D. My neurologists and endocrinologists (I have 2 of each) are pretty sure one of my (very rare) neuro diseases caused the autoimmunity leading to the T1D diagnosis. The disease I have was discovered in the early 2000s at the Mayo Clinic off of NIH research grant funds. Call me crazy, but the only reason I do not renounce my US citizenship is because the US literally saved my life and others around the world via the NIH funded research discovery.
Re:US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine by coding123 on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @07:28AM (#26805575)
I've been watching this news story today and every 2 hours there was a new top-post from people:

Covid kills X. Vaccine Kills Y. Everyone is stupid.

Programmers (and I'm one of them) are very black/white thinkers. Very few people on here had said ANYTHING that the radio said today: The pause give us the opportunity to train nurses and doctors to immediately identify the blood clot and make correct recommendations based on that. Typical anti-clotting protocols make this worse. The pause helps us get this communication out.

It's all identity politics at this point. Anyone has anything bad to say about a vaccine and suddenly the anti-anti-vaxxers pop up. Now that Trump criticized the pause I'm sure there's going to be a wildly popular support for this pause.