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Re:Malcolm Cecil, Synthesizer Pioneer, has died by weinzierl on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @01:41PM (#26796091)
"I just had another listen to Stevie Wonder's Superstition to hear TONTO."

I'd be interested in hints where you hear the TONTO in Superstition. I know the CBC video "Meet TONTO, the machine behind Stevie Wonder's Superstition" claims right in the title that the Tonto was used in Superstition. Also Bob Margouleff once said in an interview: "We had the drums, Tonto, the Clavinets and the Rhodes keyboards set up in the control room, and there was always an open mic. Stevie could easily move from one instrument to another as he saw fit." So Stevie Wonder had easy access to it during the production of Superstition.

On the other hand: The Superstition multi tracks have been available for a long time and it seems to be established wisdom that the 16 tracks are 3 drum tracks, 1 (Moog) bass track, 2 vocal tracks, 2 horn tracks and 8 Clavinet tracks. The sound of the iconic riff, which could easily be mistaken for a synth, is definitely a Clavinet - a Hohner Clavinet C according to the legend (the bass could easily be mistaken as an electric bass guitar, but it is a synth). So, no room for a Tonto. Maybe they used it as an effect on the Clav or Moog tracks? Maybe the multi track is not authentic and I missed it in the mix of the released song?

Re:Malcolm Cecil, Synthesizer Pioneer, has died by TheOtherHobbes on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @02:11PM (#26796593)
Tonto is partly an old Moog modular, and partly other modulars, including ARP, etc.

So it's reasonable to guess the Moog bass is from Tonto.

Re:Malcolm Cecil, Synthesizer Pioneer, has died by weinzierl on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @02:27PM (#26796813)
That's a good point, especially since Margouleff didn't talk about a Moog in the sentence I quoted above, so it makes sense that the bass would have been played on the Tonto.
Re:Malcolm Cecil, Synthesizer Pioneer, has died by Maursault on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @05:23PM (#26799516)
> it seems to be established wisdom that the 16 tracks are 3 drum tracks, 1 (Moog) bass track, 2 vocal tracks, 2 horn tracks and 8 Clavinet tracks.

There's just no way. The drums themselves need at least 4 tracks at a bare minimum (stereo pair overhead, snare and kick), but far more likely the drums used and preserved 8 tracks for final mixing (which is relatively standard). An engineer simply would not waste 8 of 16 tracks on Clavinet. What is more likely is the 8 tracks of Clavinet were indeed actually recorded but then bounced down to two tracks (panned for stereo), freeing up the remaining 6 tracks for isolation of other instruments during mixing.

Scratch 1 track (everything channelled here initially, replaced later, so 0 track)

Clavinet 2 track (initially 8, bounced down to 2)

Drums 8 tracks (overhead pair, snare, kick, HH, tom toms, floor tom, last for one of bottom of HH or snare or outside kick)

Bass (Moog) 1 track

Trumpet 1 track

Sax 1 track

Vocals 2 track

Replacing the scratch leaves 1 track for Tonto, (but it sounds to me like the trumpet is doubled, 2 separate tracks performed the same, oppositely panned wide).

I simply don't know what to listen for to hear the Tonto.

Re:Malcolm Cecil, Synthesizer Pioneer, has died by Slow_Hand on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @12:15AM (#26802872)
While drums often have stereo overheads, having a mono drum overhead is completely normal for a recording. Even on today's records. Not every recording needs a stereo drum kit. Especially if it's a big mix with lots of parts competing for space.

While drums today can often be mixed with upwards of 16 microphones, a skilled recording engineer with an excellent player (Stevie) on a well tuned-kit in a good room can capture a fantastic drum sound with a single overhead microphone and a spot mic for the kick. You'd be astounded how minimal it can be when the ingredients in the room are correct.

That said, there's a third possibility. That they tracked the drum kit with a full compliment of 8+ mics and then recorded the blend of these mics to the three channels of tape that ended up on the final 16-track reel of tape. I have a copy of these exact stems and it's very clear to my record-engineer ears that these were indeed, just one mic per tape channel. No summing was done.

Frankly, it's not even a good drum recording by the standards of that era, but Stevie's writing and performance are so brilliant that the record is great anyway.

Also, to chime-in on whether or not Tonto is featured on this track; The only possible candidate is the Moog synth bass. But the performance is no different than what you'd get with a Minimoog. So even if they performed it using one of the Moog modules on Tonto I'd say it's not a usage that highlights anything extraordinary about what Tonto was capable of.

Re:Malcolm Cecil, Synthesizer Pioneer, has died by weinzierl on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @04:55AM (#26804584)
Thanks, that was a very insightful write-up. What is your take on the eight Clavinet parts? From what I understand there were only two takes each playing a different riffs: Clav 1 is the well-known main riff, Clav 2 complements it with a different pattern. All the other Clav tracks are one of these two either run through a (hi, mid or low) filter or through a delay.

Why did they use so many tracks to record the same performance with different effects when they could have easily applied only the effects they liked in the final mix afterwards?